Template:Did you know nominations/François Guyet
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:41, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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François Guyet
... that the French classical scholar François Guyet was thought by Charles Nodier to have got through a period of ill health by reading Lucan's Pharsalia?Source: Charles Nodier raconte même qu'il lut la Pharsale de Lucain à ce moment si grave pour son exis- tence. Est-ce là une pure boutade de l'ingénieux écrivain, ou bien la lecture de Lucain devait-elle faire oublier au savant philologue ses souffrances? Ce qui est certain, c'est que Guyet montra dans cette circonstance un courage qui étonna ses amis. [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vera Wülfing-Leckie
- Comment: Source corresponds to footnote 12 in the article.
Created by Modussiccandi (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC).
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Everything checks out, and the hook will be interesting, but as it stands it is turning a cautious question about what may have happened into a factual opinion. Modussiccandi, could you please turn the wording around so that the two come closer together? The sentence in the article has the same problem. Moonraker (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Moonraker, for the review. It took me a minute to disentangle what was said by whom. To keep the hook interesting, it would be ideal to leave the "got through a period of ill health..." part in, but this allegation comes from the source (Uri), not Nodier. A hook to reflect this could be:
ALT1 ... that the French classical scholar François Guyet might have got through a period of ill health by reading Lucan's Pharsalia?
- If we want to keep Nodier in there, the hook would have to be a bit more boring:
ALT2 ... that the French classical scholar François Guyet was thought by Charles Nodier to have read Lucan's Pharsalia during a period of ill health?
- Let me know what you think. Modussiccandi (talk) 20:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Modussiccandi, the first rule for hooks is "The hook should refer to established facts that are unlikely to change..." ALT1 and ALT2 don’t seem to get there. As you say, it is tangled. Uri says that according to Nodier Guyet did read Pharsalia at that time. But Uri then wonders whether that was a joke by Nodier (l'ingénieux écrivain) or else perhaps reading the book put the sufferings of Guyot (savant philologue) out of his mind. As a reviewer, I can’t suggest a hook and then review it myself, but maybe we could have a reported fact and then the suggestion that it may have been a joke? Moonraker (talk) 14:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Moonraker: I've gone and had a look at what Nodier actually wrote. It seems that the relevant paragraph is rather exaggerated, so the whole Lucan thing might indeed have been a joke, though it's impossible to tell. But since Uri is our source, you're right to say that it's appropriate to include his doubts:
- Modussiccandi, the first rule for hooks is "The hook should refer to established facts that are unlikely to change..." ALT1 and ALT2 don’t seem to get there. As you say, it is tangled. Uri says that according to Nodier Guyet did read Pharsalia at that time. But Uri then wonders whether that was a joke by Nodier (l'ingénieux écrivain) or else perhaps reading the book put the sufferings of Guyot (savant philologue) out of his mind. As a reviewer, I can’t suggest a hook and then review it myself, but maybe we could have a reported fact and then the suggestion that it may have been a joke? Moonraker (talk) 14:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
ALT3 ... that the French classical scholar François Guyet, according to a possibly humorous suggestion by Charles Nodier, got through a period of ill health by reading Lucan's Pharsalia?
- I know the hook is getting a bit bulky but it's still under the limit. I'll fix this issue in the article accordingly should you approve of the hook. Modussiccandi (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Modussiccandi, the link to what Nodier says is helpful. I can’t see any basis there for what Uri says about a joke, so I have added Nodier’s version of events to the article, in the place of the seemingly muddled thoughts of Uri. Can you dig a new hook out of that? Moonraker (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Moonraker: thank you for adding Nodier's version to the article. I'll leave a hook based on the new facts below. Modussiccandi (talk) 20:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I know the hook is getting a bit bulky but it's still under the limit. I'll fix this issue in the article accordingly should you approve of the hook. Modussiccandi (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- ALT4 ... that the French classical scholar François Guyet kept his composure during a lithotomy by reading Lucan's Pharsalia?
Approving ALT4 only. That will do for me, Modussiccandi, but you had better mention Pharsalia in the paragraph. I took it out, as it isn’t in Nodier, but I gather from a quick check that that was the only work by Lucan which was attributed to him in the 17th century? Perhaps if you add back the citation to Uri for the sentence in question, we’ll let him join the dots. Moonraker (talk) 20:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, Pharsalia is the only poem by Lucan. I'll be sure to adjust the article's text. Thanks again for the review. Modussiccandi (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)