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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 15:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Forever Young (horse)

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Created by NinetyNineDragon (talk). Self-nominated at 16:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Forever Young (horse); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

    • Comments: Well done for creating such an article. However, to make this article more presentable as I mentioned in the Talk area of the article that the Japanese references in the article need to be replaced with English. Both JBIS and Netkeiba have English and can readily be used as references.
    • The statistics needs to conform to what is used in the English wikipedia space. There are columns with abbreviations which as specific in Japanese form reader but for the US/English make no sense. Also the odds are not displayed as payout coefficients. Margins are in lengths or part of horse's posture (head, neck, nose etc...) Brudder Andrusha (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
      • First of all, thank you very much for revising the article. The quality of the article cannot be decent without your help. Second, may I know whether there are any rules stating that English references are better than those which are not in English? For articles about Japanese stuff, isn't that Japanese references are more accurate and relevant?
      • Third, for your comment about the abbreviations in the statistics section, could you provide some good articles for my reference? You may guess that I am not that familiar with horse racing from my contributions (but obviously someone with limited knowledge cannot write this article). NinetyNineDragon (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  • This is a comment and not a review, but even as someone who's watched Uma Musume, I'm not a fan of the hook. It's more about Fujita or even the game itself than the horse, and the guidelines say that hooks that are only tangentially about the bolded article should be avoided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
    • I believe the hook is definitely not tangentially about the article. The information in the hook is completely mentioned in the headline of the source (the Nikkan Sports article) I put above. I guess not everyone here knows Japanese so let me put a rough translations of the headline here: "[Saudi Derby] Uma Musume's Fujita Susumu Got First Overseas Graded Race Victory, Owns Forever Young '[I] won'". If you google Japanese news articles about Forever Young, you will find it is not rare for them to mention Uma Musume at the same time.
    • If you think it is not generally interesting enough, is this better to you:
    'ALT1:' ... that someone wants Forever Young (pictured), the winner of the Saudi Derby, to be turned into a horse girl because he is owned by the CEO of CyberAgent? Source: https://www.inside-games.jp/article/2023/12/13/150914.html
I mean, even the source you provided (or at least the quote) focuses on the owner and not the horse itself. Having said that, ALT1 might be better and address my concerns, but the wording isn't the greatest given how vague the word "someone" is in this context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Full review needed, including hooks. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Thank you for this positive article about a racehorse. The picture is nice, too. Just two issues:

  • (1) Earwig picks up only one phrase: the track record for the distance by about two seconds. Please rephrase it, to avoid copyright violation..
  • Hooks: ALT0 is fine. We are talking about a racehorse here, which is not a person or a pet. In this context it is a sports icon and the property of an investor (Some of us may not like that, but that's not the point. The point is the facts). So we must compare it to articles about racing cars, racing bikes etc. where riders, owners and winnings get all the attention.
  • (2) In ALT1, the word "someone" is a bit weird, even a bit creepy. Maybe name them - or at least their trade or position?
  • Re article content: notability for this subject seems to be about the winning record, which is a good one in this case. and the winnings are tabled in full in the article. So no problem of content there.
  • I have given the article a minor copyedit, which does not affect DYK.

If you can resolve the above two issues, then this nomination should be good to go. Storye book (talk) 11:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Note: @NinetyNineDragon: As of this edit on 16 April 2024, the article has had a number of new edits, but the above issues have not been addressed. Please resolve this? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 11:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Update: @NinetyNineDragon: Points (1) and (2) above have still not been addressed. Please do that? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 09:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Personally I prefer ALT3 because (1) you wonder why on earth? and (2) there is less emphasis on his owner. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 13:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Mary Mark Ockerbloom, for resolving points 1 and 2. I have struck out those points above, and also ALT1. Your additions to the article have now produced more copyvio (quoted below). Please would you kindly rephrase it.

On March 30, Forever Young drew the outside, 11 gate for the 1,900-meter ... He broke well and jockey Ryusei Sakai let him take an outside position behind the leaders. As the field straightened into the stretch, South American Auto Bahn went to the front but could not withstand the relentless charge of the

  • Please remember, it is not good practice to copy and paste copyright source material into an article, and then try to rephrase it. You always end up with copyright bits remaining. The best way is to read it in the original, try to remember it, then write it in your own words in the article. If that is really too difficult, then copy it as a formal quotation into the article, with a citation at the end of it. DYK reviewers will usually spot any copyvio, so it is a waste of your own time and ours if you copy and paste with no quotation marks. No matter how experienced we are, we editors all have to work like that. (Of course, un-rephraseable words like proper names, with capital letters, long scientific terms, etc. are OK, and not counted as copyvio).
  • I am happy to accept ALTs 2 and 3 in good faith, as I cannot read the foreign-language citations. Storye book (talk) 15:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Hello @Storye book: The copyvios were introduced by someone else, but I have rephrased them since that is clearly needed to move this forward. (Also I confirmed alts 2 and 3 using google translate.) Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Mary Mark Ockerbloom, for correcting the above. Unfortunately, now that the larger piece of copyvio has been removed, Earwig has found another smaller one: "under rider Yusaku Oka, the colt jogged in the one-mile chute for about 20 minutes before taking a". Please rephrase it, or change it to a quote? Thanks. Storye book (talk) 17:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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