Template:Did you know nominations/Flame Con
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
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Flame Con
[edit]- ... that Flame Con is the first LGBTQ comic convention in New York City, and bills itself the largest LGBTQ comic convention in the world? Source: Slate, SyFy
ALT1:...that the LGBTQ comic convention Flame Con instituted a ban on prop weapons after the shooting at Pulse nightclub? Source: The Verge
- Reviewed: QPC exempt
Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:11, 13 May 2018 (UTC).
- Adequate length, diverse and reliable sources, interesting hook. I see no problem with this nomination.– Gilliam (talk) 04:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- If you are passing the nomination, @Gilliam: please add a check symbol so that the bots can move it to the approved section. Thanks. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Giving this a tick since I see no more issues. In addition, the article meets the newness and interest requirements (adding to Gilliam's review), and no copyright violations were detected. Striking ALT1 since it's not really an unusual policy among pop culture events, but moreso because ALT0 is very interesting to a broad audience. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:18, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I came to promote this, but I don't think the organization's own claim should be spotlighted on the main page. It seems to me you have other interesting facts to add on to the first hook fact, such as their kickoff party or how they started with a Kickstarter campaign. Yoninah (talk) 01:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think it's fine to promote claims by people/organizations, given that a claim is on the main page at this very moment (the DIY for Passing on the Right, which I'd argue is way more ideologically-loaded/contestable than this DIY about a comic convention). So long as we're qualifying it properly and not stating it as a verified fact, I think it passes muster. Morgan695 (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I think the ALT0 hook fact could still be acceptable if a third party source could be found that verifies it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: "Flame Con convention, the world’s largest LGBT comic con" (New Now Next); "Flame Con is the world’s largest queer comic con" (Autostraddle); "debut exclusively at this year’s Flame Con convention, the world's largest LGBTQ Comic Con" (Newsarama) Morgan695 (talk) 03:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Give me a day and I'll suggest a new hook. Yoninah (talk) 12:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- It may be worth re-visiting ALT1 since a) IIRC, Flame Con was one of the first cons to institute such a ban, b) it is a blanket ban on every type of prop weapon (many cons permit prop weapons if they meet certain conditions, e.g. if it "looks fake" or if there's a brightly-colored cap over the muzzle), and c) the ban was in direct response to an act of mass violence against the community the con is organized for. Morgan695 (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I personally feel that ALT0 is still the better hook: despite the circumstances of the prop weapon ban, it's not actually an unusual ban (as you mentioned, it was one of the first, meaning it's not the only one: if it was the only con at the moment that did, then maybe then it would be more interesting). And personally, a comic convention that caters to the LGBTQ community is by itself hooky and interesting, more so if it was one of the first or the biggest. Also, it appears that third-party sources now verify the claim. Thoughts Yoninah? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: sorry, the hook reads repetitively, and ERRORS will jump on that self-promotion at the end. Here's a suggested alt:
- ALT2: ... that Flame Con, the first LGBTQ comic convention in New York City, kicks off its annual event with a dance party and drag performances? Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'd like to note that the article reads purely like self-promotion, and is very short on reliable sources. Didn't The New York Times mention this? I would ask for more description of the event to make it less of a promotional piece. Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- I personally feel that ALT0 is still the better hook: despite the circumstances of the prop weapon ban, it's not actually an unusual ban (as you mentioned, it was one of the first, meaning it's not the only one: if it was the only con at the moment that did, then maybe then it would be more interesting). And personally, a comic convention that caters to the LGBTQ community is by itself hooky and interesting, more so if it was one of the first or the biggest. Also, it appears that third-party sources now verify the claim. Thoughts Yoninah? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
- It may be worth re-visiting ALT1 since a) IIRC, Flame Con was one of the first cons to institute such a ban, b) it is a blanket ban on every type of prop weapon (many cons permit prop weapons if they meet certain conditions, e.g. if it "looks fake" or if there's a brightly-colored cap over the muzzle), and c) the ban was in direct response to an act of mass violence against the community the con is organized for. Morgan695 (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Give me a day and I'll suggest a new hook. Yoninah (talk) 12:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: "Flame Con convention, the world’s largest LGBT comic con" (New Now Next); "Flame Con is the world’s largest queer comic con" (Autostraddle); "debut exclusively at this year’s Flame Con convention, the world's largest LGBTQ Comic Con" (Newsarama) Morgan695 (talk) 03:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I think the ALT0 hook fact could still be acceptable if a third party source could be found that verifies it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think it's fine to promote claims by people/organizations, given that a claim is on the main page at this very moment (the DIY for Passing on the Right, which I'd argue is way more ideologically-loaded/contestable than this DIY about a comic convention). So long as we're qualifying it properly and not stating it as a verified fact, I think it passes muster. Morgan695 (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, only the "Programming" section has a somewhat promotional tone, and even then it's rather tame compared to what I've seen before on other articles: the rest of the article has a more neutral tone. @Morgan695: Perhaps the section can be reworded to remove the advert-like wording? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:59, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- I removed some marketing-sounding words, but yeah, are there specific sections you find objectionable? It's kind of difficult to discuss what are ostensibly the selling features of an event without sounding at least somewhat promotional. Morgan695 (talk) 17:32, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Morgan695: encyclopedic writing is dispassionate, not promotional. You should compose any article as if you were writing for a newspaper, not a fan magazine. That said, the article reads more impartially now. I formatted the references and added links to the sources, so I see these are mostly reliable sources. Narutolovehinata5 you could go ahead and give a tick to ALT2 now. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:25, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Checking the article again, the article is now just barely above the 1500 character requirement, but that's good enough. Approving ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)