Template:Did you know nominations/Firefighter calendar

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Schwede66 talk 18:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Firefighter calendar

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An example of a firefighter calendar page

• ... that the Australian firefighter calendar is "the world's most popular calendar"? Source: https://www.petage.com/australian-firefighters-calendar-celebrates-30-years-of-supporting-charities-children-animals/
  • ALT1: ... that calendars featuring shirtless firefighters (example pictured) are very popular in Taiwan? Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-28/australian-firefighters-are-heroes-in-taiwan-theyre-gods/11992160
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Julia Gibson

Created by Di (they-them) (talk). Self-nominated at 04:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Firefighter calendar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - n
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - ?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was moved to mainspace within 7 days of nomination. 1800 characters of prose. Earwig picked up 1% of copyright violation, making it unlikely. QPQ done. I'm not entirely sure about the image used; it's an unofficial creation using a free image of a firefighter, but it does illustrate an example. The first paragraph is mostly unsourced, unless the one source at the end of the paragraph is supposed to encompass it. ALT1 is a better hook due to it being more specific but I wonder if you can create another hook that is less subjective. lullabying (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

• @Lullabying: Hello, thanks for your review. Regarding the first paragraph, it is all cited from the source at the end. If you find the image to be inappropriate, it isn't necessary and I have no issue with not including it. As for a better hook, how does this sound:
  • ALT2: ... that an Australian firefighter calendar is "the world's most popular calendar"? Source: https://www.petage.com/australian-firefighters-calendar-celebrates-30-years-of-supporting-charities-children-animals/ Thanks again. Di (they-them) (talk) 19:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
    • Thanks for notifying me. What makes Pet Age a reliable source? lullabying (talk) 20:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
      • @Lullabying: The the website says that Pet Age is a company focusing on the animal "supply, merchandising, and service market" and that it "explores current trends", so my assumption would be that it is aware of market trends. Since the majority of paper calendars seem to feature animals, I assume that they are aware of their main competition (being beefcake calendars) and their impact on the market. Considering the fact that the Australian calendar features firefigthers as well as animals, it falls within their purview as well. Di (they-them) (talk) 09:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
      • @Di (they-them): Please respond to the above comment regarding sourcing. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
        • @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for reminding me, I had forgotten. Di (they-them) (talk) 09:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Thanks for responding. I would change the hook to "Australian Firefighters Calendar" because the article is talking about a specific calendar being the world's most popular calendar. lullabying (talk) 03:58, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Thanks, got it. Di (they-them) (talk) 10:08, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@Lullabying: Is this hook ready to be approved? If not, what is still needed? Z1720 (talk) 01:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

• Sorry for the delay! I knew I was forgetting something. I think this should be fine and good to go. lullabying (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

• @Lullabying: it needs the appropriate tick then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Good to go. lullabying (talk) 08:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Di, I have to agree with lullabying that PetAge is not a reliable source. Companies as institutions can't be subject-matter experts, they can only be reliable in the general case if they are reputable or if there is evidence that their publications have strong, professional editorial controls and fact-checking. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• @Di (they-them): What is the current status of this nomination? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• Hi, apologies for the delay. Since PetAge is not reliable enough for the DYK, I would like to propose we use ALT1 instead. Di (they-them) (talk) 01:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Di (they-them), as PetAge isn't reliable enough for DYK, the sentence it supports should be deleted from the article, along with its citation. lullabying, Narutolovehinata5, is there any reason this should not proceed with ALT1? If not, can this be safely given a tick? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

ALT1 as is may need to be changed as who knows if calendars will still be popular in Taiwan in the future (the guidelines discourage hooks whose truthfulness or accuracy may change in the future), but a reworded version would be fine. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• @Di (they-them): Have you been able to come up with a new hook? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry but unfortunately I can't think of any new hooks right now. I currently am struggling with some IRL things which is why I haven't been so up-to-date on this topic. I apologize for that. If anybody has any suggestions for a new hook, I am fine with anything. Di (they-them) (talk) 05:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, could the ALT1 issue be finessed by changing "are" to "have been"? Another possibility is adding "currently" after "are", though with a 2020 source, that's a bit dicey; 2023 would be much better. (I don't know whether the fact that at least one municipality has released its own 2024 firefighter calendar would be sufficient; here's the link.) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: That suggested wording is still somewhat imprecise. One alternative I could suggest is something like "That firefighter calendars gained popularity in Taiwan after..." or something to that effect. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, I don't think there's enough information in the article to do an "after" hook as you suggest. If neither of our suggestions are adequate and the nominator can't think of anything, then perhaps this should be marked for closure—the nomination has been open for over three months, and it's the second oldest one left at DYK. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I shall close this. It’s hardly a new article any longer and no resolution is in sight. Schwede66 18:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)