Template:Did you know nominations/Fire basket
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Fire basket
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A fire basket used in heraldry
- ... that fire baskets were once used to mark the main route through Danish waters from the North Sea to the Baltic? Source: Hahn-Pedersen, Morten (April 2003). Jerzy Litwin (ed.). Reports on Baltic Lights – Denmark (PDF). Gdańsk: Polish Maritime Museum in Gdańsk. p. 81. ISBN 83-919514-0-5.
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5x expanded by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 19:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fire basket; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
@Evrik: I have had no luck finding the information in the hook in the given source. Also for citation 5 in the article, I cannot find any information about fire baskets. Then there is this Sentence "During the Middle Ages fire baskets filled with sulfur were used to repel the Black Death" - the given citation #4 contains no information about fire baskets. I cannot access other sources but we should start with this. Lightburst (talk) 20:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- For the hook look on page 81,
The establishment of lighthouses to increase safety at sea along Denmark’s coasts started in 1560 when the Danish king Frederik II ordered the erection of bascule lights at Skagen, Anholt and Kullen to mark the main route through Danish waters from the North Sea to the Baltic.
- For reference 5, "Lyskilden var kulbaseret i en fyrpande på tårnets top", " The light source was coal-based in a boiler at the top of the tower." There is also this source. If that's not good enough we can drop the sentence. --evrik (talk) 01:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I see that you have the hook correctly referenced in the article now. For citation 5 I think there is just an issue with my machine translation. But I am still unable to reach the conclusion that I see in our article, that "During the Middle Ages fire baskets filled with sulfur were used to repel the Black Death" I cannot find that information in the given source in the article. Lightburst (talk) 14:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, this is what I read, "For the wealthy, the burning of incense in large braisers was a luxurious form of fumigation. Fumigating one’s garments with incense, not only as a perfume but as a form of plague prevention became common among the elite. However, bonfires, sulfur/saltpetre burning, and even spraying deadly mercury compounds were used in public fumigations." Want me to look for something else?--evrik (talk) 21:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Evrik: Yes, I am not able to connect fire baskets to the bonfires and the sulfur was not burned in the braisers according to the source. Lightburst (talk) 13:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Well, strike the line. It's not critical to the piece.--evrik (talk) 03:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)- Well, [I'll] strike the line. It's not critical to the piece. --evrik (talk) 03:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
I am not going to refactor the article. I cannot find anything about Christmas in citation 3 either. My observation: it seems our sources call the fire basket by other names and our article fits them into the title of "fire basket". My spot checks: sources do not seem line up. I will ask another editor to have a look rather than failing the nomination or holding it up. Lightburst (talk) 02:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Evrik: Yes, I am not able to connect fire baskets to the bonfires and the sulfur was not burned in the braisers according to the source. Lightburst (talk) 13:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, this is what I read, "For the wealthy, the burning of incense in large braisers was a luxurious form of fumigation. Fumigating one’s garments with incense, not only as a perfume but as a form of plague prevention became common among the elite. However, bonfires, sulfur/saltpetre burning, and even spraying deadly mercury compounds were used in public fumigations." Want me to look for something else?--evrik (talk) 21:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I see that you have the hook correctly referenced in the article now. For citation 5 I think there is just an issue with my machine translation. But I am still unable to reach the conclusion that I see in our article, that "During the Middle Ages fire baskets filled with sulfur were used to repel the Black Death" I cannot find that information in the given source in the article. Lightburst (talk) 14:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- For the hook look on page 81,
- @Evrik: "strike the line"? You're the nominator; it is your job to address the reviewer's concerns and rewrite the article if necessary. BorgQueen (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- What I wrote is not what I meant. I fixed it. I think all the issues have been addressed.--evrik (talk) 23:34, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- evrik, wouldn't there be a difference between a bascule light and a fire basket? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: The bascule hoists a basket. --evrik (talk) 01:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- evrik, wouldn't there be a difference between a bascule light and a fire basket? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- What I wrote is not what I meant. I fixed it. I think all the issues have been addressed.--evrik (talk) 23:34, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- There have been no comments to this nomination in over a month; are there still any remaining concerns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Someone needs to do a full review. I was unable to confirm several references with spot checks. i also think we use the term "Fire basket" when sources do not. I found it puzzling so I wanted another reviewer to go through it. Lightburst (talk) 04:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- I've been asking that myself. --evrik (talk) 05:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to do a full review of the article and the hooks. (I see no sign that basic checks have been done on the article's eligibility or whether it's within policy, for example.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: went through all the sourcing. I'm going to try and answer those points. --evrik (talk) 16:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Oh yes, I should have posted here. I went through the sources in the background section and posted to the talk page. I plan to check heraldry as well when I have some time. At least some of these issues were present in the original German version. Rjjiii (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- evrik, I've finished checking the article's sources. That one bit that I marked in red should be fixed first as it is a potential copyright issue. Also, I peeked again at the German original. The only sources that properly verified content in the article appear to be the museum and light house society sources and I think that you added both of these. It may be easier to start from the reliable sources than to try and fix the existing text. Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 07:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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New enough, long enough. Hook short enough and sourced (as is every paragraph); happy to take evrik's word for the bascule/basket explanation. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ done and image properly licensed. Good to go.--Launchballer 13:46, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
