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The result was: promoted by Espresso Addict (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Fiacre (carriage)

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... that in 1860 the Compagnie Impériale des Voitures in Paris operated 3,830 fiacres, owned 8,000 horses, and carried over 10 million passengers?

Reviewed: Psalmen Davids

Created by Smerus (talk). Self nominated at 10:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC).

Promising article on good sources, but presently a bit too short. Please move the bolded redirect Fiaker to the lead. You might find something on them in Brugge. In the hook, I would mention the millions first, for those who won't read to the end, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for adding, Belle, long enough now, please place a reference right behind the hook statement, and get rid of a bare url, more ref details welcome. My version would be shorter:

ALT1: ... that the Compagnie Impériale des Voitures in Paris operated 3,830 fiacres and carried over 10 million passengers? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I used to rely on reflinks for that. I can't handle those citation templates. Belle (talk) 14:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The author of the article is no friend of templates, hint, hint. But just add a title, publisher, accessdate, in the style of the other refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Not sure about that. They are books, not online sources (although they are on Google books) so maybe they should go down in the references. Perhaps Smerus can sort them out as he wants them. (I don't enjoy trying to format refs, so I'm not going to do it. So, nur! Me, me, me!) Belle (talk) 15:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I really think that User:Belle should be co-credited if this goes ahead as a DYK.......ALT1 is fine by me...I am also not too het up about reference formats.--Smerus (talk) 15:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

You, Belle, helped a lot, much more than needed, thank you. Credited! - Books should be in Bibliography if different pages are needed. - Now we only need a source for the hook (right behind it), or a different hook,

I have done the refs now. Best, --Smerus (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I only did what Gerda told me to do as I was promised cheesecake when I finished. Belle (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Cheesecake, schmeesecake. Come round to my place in Slovakia and you can have some slivovica. If you come by fiacre, you can have some hruskovica.--Smerus (talk) 15:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

, offline sources accepted AGF, and an extra toast for collaboration! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

First paragraph under "In Paris" needs at least one cite, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

That paragraph was inserted after I was ready to approve, - what do the rules say about that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I believe User:Yoninah to be mistaken. The eligibility criteria only refer to sourcing for BLPs. There are no other comments on sourcing, excpet as regards the hook (which in the preswent case is covered). If Yoninah disagrees with this, they should provide chapter and verse.--Smerus (talk) 21:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

See Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 22:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, an 'unwritten rule' as the header describes it..... We learn something every day. Over then to Belle who created the paragraph in question.--Smerus (talk) 22:15, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The citation at the end of the next paragraph covered it; I split them for readability. That's rather a silly supplementary if you ask me (I know you didn't, but when did that ever stop me acting like you did) Belle (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@Belle: teh rulez, teh rulez ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

What happened? Now there are 2 more sections, "In Vienna" and "Today", without any cites. Yoninah (talk) 22:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

They were there before. The sky is blue. Fiakers run in Vienna. - Seriously: How would that be cited? [1] How that an act of Arabella takes place at the Fiakerball? I saw the opera. This is so. [2] - Other works are pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Yoninah, I've cited a bit of that, but the works should be self-citing (how I wish that everything was self-citing, it would make life a lot easier; maybe not life, just editing; a robot maid would make life easier) Belle (talk) 13:27, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Zounds! Have added other cite. Yoninah, anything else?--Smerus (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see this on my watchlist. Everything looks good (and stable) now. Restoring Gerda's tick. Yoninah (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2014 (UTC)