Template:Did you know nominations/Feng Timo

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The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk) 23:53, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Feng Timo

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... that Feng Timo is a network hostess who has over 11 million fans on Douyu app and over 7 million fans on Sina Weibo?

... that Feng Timo's song 《佛系少女》 has been so popular that it had been the Top 20 Hottest songs?

Created by Omega68537 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

Hostesses, plural.Moriori (talk) 00:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

This nomination has several issues that need to be addressed if this is to be approved. First, the article is only 1032 characters long, which is far below the 1500 character requirement. Second, the article has several unsourced statements. Finally, both hooks are too vague or common to be hooky or interesting to a broad audience. I will give the nominator time to work on the issues, but if they are not resolved within a reasonable amount of time, this nomination will be failed. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: the page creator has added content, but much of it is in pidgin English. I suggest they apply at WP:GOCE for help with English grammar and spelling. Yoninah (talk) 01:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

I've requested a copy-edit of the article over at WP:GOCE/R. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I hope the editor that made this article will stay with Wikipedia and keep improving but I don't think this article can be promoted right now. It's still quite hard to read in English and I don't understand either of the proposed hooks (what's a "network hostess"? what does it mean to have "been the Top 20 Hottest songs"?). I would love to see the article improved and will help if I can, but this is not ready for DYK at this time, six weeks after originally being nominated. › Mortee _talk 02:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mortee: The copyedit I requested has been completed, have your concerns been addressed? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:01, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hmm. Narutolovehinata5 it's certainly a lot smoother now, so I feel a bit bad for having brought out the 'nope' cross. I see it's tagged as reading like a résumé, which I'm not sure is fair. The article's still quite thin, but if someone wants to review this and press ahead with a DYK, I won't stand in the way. › Mortee _talk 23:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Noted. I can do a partial review at the very least: new and long enough, the nominator is QPQ-exempt, adequately sourced and Chinese references accepted AGF, no close paraphrasing found, and so on. I'll leave the hook and article prose issues to another reviewer, but I would suggest that the hooks be rephrased (which isn't really that hard to do to be honest). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

New reviewer here. I copyedited the article to remove the resume tag. Honestly, there's not much here. Does the fact that she sang a few songs make her notable? As I'm unable to read the Chinese sources, I am unable to verify her notability per Wikipedia guidelines. Neither of the two proposed hooks are in the article. Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Comment: The nominator has not edited in the past 10 days. They have also posted similar articles (see Shuang Sheng) with similar notability and grammatical issues. I'm inclined to take this to AFD if the nominator doesn't respond soon. Yoninah (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Considering it's been over two weeks since the nominator last edited, perhaps it's time to send this to AfD? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 22:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Now at AFD. Yoninah (talk) 00:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

AFD closed as "Keep" — Maile (talk) 01:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah and Mortee: Now that the AfD has been closed as Keep, is this ready to be approved? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 06:35, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the nomination can proceed. But neither of the proposed hooks appear in the article. Yoninah (talk) 19:11, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

As the nominator has not edited in a while, I've left a message at WT:CHINA and at user Simonm223's talk page asking if someone could adopt the nomination. If no positive response happens in a week, I will mark this for closure. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:35, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: why is it up to us to salvage other people's nominations? Both the second reviewer and I have noted that the article is not well written and needs an overhaul. If the nominator has disappeared, we should fail the nomination. Yoninah (talk) 17:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

I was happy to help out with preventing an AfD as the subject clearly met WP:GNG guidelines, but I'm also not particularly invested in a DYK for a celebrity's follower count in any country. Simonm223 (talk) 17:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

The philosophy I have is that I wouldn't fail nominations except as a last resort, particularly for cases like these where the nominator was new. Whenever the nominator is new, I would give some leeway and as much as possible try to give the nomination a chance. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 21:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I understand. But the nominator has disappeared, which I noted on August 29. It is now nearly a month later. I wouldn't give this another week. Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Based on the comments above, along with the nominator not being active (and, based on the AfDs on the articles they created, possibly having COI issues), and finally without having received a response from WikiProject China, it is with regret that this nomination is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:08, 29 September 2018 (UTC)