Template:Did you know nominations/Fantasia on Welsh Nursery Tunes

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The result was: promoted by —♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 11:42, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Fantasia on Welsh Nursery Tunes

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... that the Fantasia on Welsh Nursery Tunes by Grace Williams was the first work by a Welsh female composer to be recorded?

Reviewed: I still have to review another nomination and will post this here once it's done.
Comment: Article created in my userspace on 17 January 2016 and moved to mainspace on 29 January 2016 as part of the Women in Music virtual edit-a-thon hosted by WikiProject Women in Red, 10-31 January 2016

Created by Robevans123 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:39, 5 February 2016 (UTC).

Can we expect the QPQ relatively soon? It's been a month, and it's time go get the review of this nomination going. I'm willing to take that on, but the QPQ really has to be done in the next couple of days.—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 21:02, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Amberrock, so far as I can tell this is Robevans123's first DYK. As such, while it's nice to offer to review another nomination, as was done above, it isn't required for a first-time nominator, so you can proceed with the review whenever you're ready. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough.—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 13:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Robevans123: thank you for a substantial article on an interesting piece, on excellent sources, offline sources accepted AGF. There are some citation errors, please fix them first. Comparing to other articles on classical music, the order of paragraphs is a bit strange. What I do is background history first, then description of the music (structure, scoring, details), finally what happened later (evaluation, later performances, recordings). Please consider. In the lead, I don't think I need a personal quotation from the composer as much as a bit more summary about the work for an uninitiated reader. The hook is possible and cited, but I find it a bit boring. Perhaps pick something more special for an ALT!? - If you say no thank you to all this and just fix the harv errors, I will pass it as it is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gerda Arendt, and many thanks for your kind comments. I've fixed the ref errors. I'm not sure about an alternative hook - do you have any suggestions? It seemed the most appropriate at the time of writing (as part of the Women in Ref editathon).

As to structure etc I looked around a bit and didn't find a consistent model so I made it up as I went along! Will have a look at your example, and will definitely revisit it (I wasn't entirely happy with the structure either...). I'm also planning to add some short sound clips, and maybe one or two pages from the score. Need to research fair usage etc before this. After that I hope to put it up for GA review. I do like the quote at the beginning - it does reinforce the point that although its her most famous work it is far from typical of the rest of her output. But a bit more background as well would do no harm!

Not planning to work on the article until April so probably best to get it through DYK now if you're happy with that.

There is a concert on BBC radio this evening of Williams' music (the Fantasia, Trumpet concerto, and Missa Cambrensis). If you can't catch it live, I think it will be available for a few weeks after. I never heard the Missa Cambrensis before (I think it's only had one performance before now - a "difficult" premiere). The trumpet concerto is on my list of articles to do... Regards Robevans123 (talk) 18:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts! I was bold and put "Structure and instrumentation" together. Perhaps keep it that way wherever position in the article you find best. There's a template for structures, used in my linked article, perhaps think about that later, for GA. Thanks for a nice infobox! There's still a warning about an unused citation which I'm sure you will fix. For a hook, I liked the quotations in "Reception",- perhaps mention one or two in combination with the recording? The last sentence there is one I don't need at all ;) Perhaps end on one of the positive remarks? - Thanks for the concert tip. My first article here was about a composer who wrote a Missa in 2008 which has still not received a premiere ... - Perhaps put her Missa also on your to-do ;) - The last one I wrote about was St. Cecilia Mass, and that was in 2014. Couldn't believe we had no article on that piece (which we sang for a Christmas mass). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: What's the status of this DYK? Is this ready to be approved or does something still need to be done? —♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 13:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I was waiting if Robevans123 came up with a more interesting hook, but can approve this one,

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)