The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
5x expanded by Ashwin147 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC).
This is more of a comment than a review, but I think the hook is a bit complicated. It tries to combine three hook facts into one (him being the second Muslim president, the second to die in office, and having the same architect for the tomb). If I were you, I'd try splitting the hook into separate ones:
ALT2 ... that Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed was the second Indian president to die in office?
ALT3 ... that Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed, India's second Muslim president, was also the second Indian president to die in office?
Owing to my discomfort in reviewing nominations that may have anything to do with nationalism and religion in India I will leave the review to another reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you @Narutolovehinata5:. I did consider ALT 3 originally but the fact about the same guy who built their tombs is something I learnt while researching the article and I thought it added an interesting third layer to the coincidences. ALTs 1 & 2 are a little less hooky, I think. This topic isn't really about nationalism or religion really. Why not review it? :) Ashwin147 (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
India-related topics on DYK have been controversial in the past, especially those that somehow involve Hinduism or Islam. From experience it's something I don't think I'm equipped to review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Just being of some particular religion, I do not see any controversy over religion behind Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed at least from WP article. Certainly his time of presidency coincided one of very volatile period for Indian Democracy, See The Emergency (India). Indian Presidents role usually is largely ceremonial,still some analyst wish to find weakness of in the President at important juncture. But without getting in detail controversy you can have option of mentioning, DYK that Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed was president of India during The Emergency (India).
By now India seems to have had reasonable number of Muslim presidents and vice presidents. Rather than focusing on Muslimness (though nothing wrong about it and also no objection about DYK mentioning Muslimness either) one can also give thought to contribution like his association with Polo or he was a Finance minister at state level previously can also be presented as DYK options.
I will prefer to change First DYK some thing like " ... that tomb of Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed ,the second president of India was designed by the architect Habib Rahman?" along with image of the tomb which seems simple and serene.
Being second to die in office, and the tombs for both were designed by same architect seem minor details for a global audience hence shorter sentence with image might make more interesting DYK. IMHO.
Cheers Bookku (talk) 16:12, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
My issue is that the architect's may be unfamiliar to global audiences and so unless the hook somehow managed to be a double hook where Rahman's article was also improved to DYK standards I don't see it being a good option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
ALT3 should be good. Let's hope someone takes this up for review. Ashwin147 (talk) 07:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Overall: Earwig mostly matches the names of commiitties and government agencies and some short basic statements of fact that fall under WP:LIMITED. Article was 4728 characters of prose before expansion, 26383 characters after, which is slightly more than a 5x expansion. Article was nominated 4 days after expansion began so is good there too. The content appears properly cited and a spot check of a few sources did verify the information (but WP:CITETRIM might help on some of the statements that have 4+ references). "He has been accused of" seems somewhat WP:WEASEL, it might help to word it so that it's clear who has accused him, I know the following sentence elaborates with a quote about this strategy, but is this person the only one making the accusation? The wording doesn't say. "...and he is widely regarded as a rubber stamp President" could also use in-text attribution. These are enough to make the article non-neutral but just something I noticed when reading through. When verifying the hook I focused on ALT3 which was discussed and seems to be the agreed upon hook. - Aoidh (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC) - Aoidh (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Thankyou for the review, @Aoidh:. I agree with you that there are a couple of places in the article where there's a surfeit of citations. I've also nominated this article for GA status and would like to take up this issue then because all these citations state/imply the same thing but I'm not sure how to go about with phrasing in some of these cases without falling foul of Wiki guidelines. But for now, ALT3 should do. Cheers! Ashwin147 (talk) 06:38, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Earwig mostly matches the names of commiitties and government agencies and some short basic statements of fact that fall under WP:LIMITED. Article was 4728 characters of prose before expansion, 26383 characters after, which is slightly more than a 5x expansion. Article was nominated 4 days after expansion began so is good there too. The content appears properly cited and a spot check of a few sources did verify the information (but WP:CITETRIM might help on some of the statements that have 4+ references). "He has been accused of" seems somewhat WP:WEASEL, it might help to word it so that it's clear who has accused him, I know the following sentence elaborates with a quote about this strategy, but is this person the only one making the accusation? The wording doesn't say. "...and he is widely regarded as a rubber stamp President" could also use in-text attribution. These are enough to make the article non-neutral but just something I noticed when reading through. When verifying the hook I focused on ALT3 which was discussed and seems to be the agreed upon hook. - Aoidh (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC) - Aoidh (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)