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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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FIFA Champions Badge

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5x expanded by Britishfinance (talk). Self-nominated at 23:47, 31 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Actually, just realising that I have only expanded this article by under 4x – does that void my nom (the original article was a paste-in from Spanish WP)? thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 00:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to take a look. It seems like it's about five times larger when looking at the prose, and ignoring the tables, so I'm going to allow it. I haven't done something like this in ten years, so someone may come along and say "hell no". We'll see. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:23, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: I checked and the tool said you have not done five Did You Knows. I may have done it wrong in which case speak up about it. Second para in "Records" section needs citation. It seems like the tables should also have some sort of citation. Hopefully not one for every line. Maybe a link to some fifa page that confirms who won in what years. Or one for every line if that does not exist. This is not a hold up for this DYK, but some improvements could be made to the prose. The history section does not flow well with one super long paragraph, and a bunch of short and single sentence paragraphs. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:56, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this Peregrine Fisher. You will find that if you click on the year in each table it routes to the relevant championship final article that confirms the winner - does this suffice? I will find a citation for the second bullet in “Records”. I’ll take another look at the history section prose. Thanks again. Britishfinance (talk) 03:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I would say it does suffice for who is the winner. But, do they wear it? "National team winners" seems to be about winners who are eligible for the badge, but I didn't read that it was mandatory (may have missed it). So maybe some of them don't wear it? Probably not, and it's probably obvious if you know more about soccer badges than I do. So, I guess my question is, if I'm not sure that every team in those tables wears the badge, how do I check? Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:39, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Peregrine Fisher, for "national team winners", they all wear it as FIFA (who awards the badge) runs their main competitions (I added a photo of the US Women's team wearing it as an example), and selling the jersey with the new FIFA badge is more revenue for these teams (I added an ref regarding delays in a national team getting the badge as it is manufactured by a separate company, Unisport). Where it becomes interesting however is the wearing of the badge in non-FIFA competitions, and most importantly the major national leagues for the clubs (which are mostly independent of FIFA), and hence the "Non-FIFA licensing" section regarding Liverpool, Manchester United and Real Madrid. I hope that makes sense? thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 12:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
So your'e saying it just goes without saying that if you are elgible to wear the badge, then FIFA makes your shirts and they always include the badge? Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:04, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm trying to find out what a FIFA badge is. Number one link on google is just this article. This article says the CB is a jersey emblem, but the main article about that on google is again this article. Do we have an article about these badges/emblems in general? Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:09, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Not exactly. FIFA makes the physical badge (or actually, per the article, they current get Unisport to manufacture the physical badge), and then the team jersey manufacturer (e.g. Nike or Addidas etc.), buy the badge and attach it on (the RS per the article from the US Stars and Stripes F.C. - the official fansite for US national teams). The badge is a money-maker for both FIFA (who license it to teams), but also the teams (who sell new jerseys (see here).
Regarding what it is, I also added a 2015 FIFA Equipment Regulations manual that has in Chapter 14 page 81, the actual badge (dimensions etc), however, I note that the 2019 RS imply that the badge dimensions seem to have changed slightly (which I have noted on in the Notes section). Hope that makes sense. Britishfinance (talk) 17:21, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Basically the tables need references.

If some crazy person said to me "Spain's 2010 Mens FIFA team did not wear the championship badge!" It's not clear to be which reference from this article I would use to prove that they did wear it. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 18:24, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I have referenced all the tables bar two - the 2017 and 2019 Beach soccer world cup winners; I can see Instagram pictures of winners wearing the badge but no explicit RS. For everything else there are plenty of refs and articles/photos on the teams being "presented" with their badge by FIFA. Britishfinance (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
I have found a good FIFA RS showing Brazil (2017 Beach soccer world cup winners) wearing their FIFA Champions Badge at the 2019 Beach soccer world cup. It could be that the presentation for the 2019 Beach soccer world cup winners, Portugal, haven't had their FIFA Badge presented yet? Britishfinance (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
good job. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 23:09, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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