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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 10:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
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FESTIMA
[edit]... that around 100,000 people attended the 2016 edition of FESTIMA, a festival in Burkina Faso celebrating traditional African masks?
Source: The masked men of Burkina Faso "Entering its 20th year, Festima has also become a bit of a tourist attraction (ASAMA estimates 100,000 viewed the spectacle), with the proceedings entering into the early morning hours."
- Comment: This year's festival starts on February 24, so that might be a good date to run it on.
Created by Egsan Bacon (talk). Self-nominated at 06:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC).
Article is new and long enough. Photo OK. There are no outright copyvio problem, but because of relative little source material, the article borders a few times on close paraphasing, by being very similar in structure to the source, as an exampel the sentence that ends "as Islam, a religion practiced by over 60 percent of people in Burkina Faso, does not use them in their ceremonies". According to Wikipedia about 23% of the population is Christian and ideally we should have had a source that said something about Christianity and masks as well, but I understand this may not exist. It might be worth pointing out in the article that historically masks are relatedto animism The history section in general verges a bit into journalistic tone, including a quote. Because of the lack of broad sources, which may often happen on African issues, it may be difficult to get around this problem and I am inclined to accept the article as within policy. As for the hook it is short enough and interesting as Burkina Faso as a very poor/rural country probably does not have a lot of major events. I do however think that the number of participants needs to be attributed to the organization that have stated this, as crowd numbers (where people don't pay tickets) are notoriously hard to say for sure and frankly often excagerated, so this number should not be stated as a fact in Wikipedia's voice. You might want to start an alternative hook with "that the 2016 Festima event was attended by...". Maybe also make another alternative hook based on number of masks/countries. I agree it would be nice to post this on Febr. 24. There are no QPQ, but I belive this may be because nominator doesn't have 5 DYK credits yet. Iselilja (talk) 11:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input! I added the connection with animism, and modified the sentence you indicated came off as too similar to close paraphrasing. I agree that a source with something to say about Christianity's relationship with the masks would be good to have, although I have not yet been able to find any. (The closest I've come to anything is this article on the website of a Catholic missionary organization, which addresses the masks but doesn't have anything to say about the compatibility of the masks and Christianity.) As to the issue of the hook, I like your suggestion about a hook about the number of masks and countries, so have provided hook ALT1 based on that. I also provided ALT2, a modification of the original hook which indicates that the 100,000 attendance number is an estimate from the organizers. Egsan Bacon (talk) 05:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that the 2016 FESTIMA featured over 500 traditional African masks from six countries?Source: The masked men of Burkina Faso For over 500 masks: "The 13th International Festival of Masks and the Arts (Festima) was celebrated in February and March this year, bringing together over 500 masks worn by villages and ethnic groups in Sub-Saharan Africa." For six countries: "They come from all across West Africa: Benin, Togo, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Mali and Burkina Faso."- ALT2 ... that the organizers of FESTIMA, a festival in Burkina Faso celebrating traditional African masks, estimate that 100,000 people attended in 2016? Source: The masked men of Burkina Faso "Entering its 20th year, Festima has also become a bit of a tourist attraction (ASAMA estimates 100,000 viewed the spectacle), with the proceedings entering into the early morning hours."
- Fine, thank you. What I think, though, is that you should put the numbers and countries for 2016 in the body of the article instead/in addition to the lead, and change the lead to either specify that the numbers/countries are from 2016 or making the lead more general without specifying numbers/countries. I also came to take another look at the French source and it seems to say there were more than 2500 masks in 2016. If the sources are inconsistent, we may have to leave that out of the hook, but I am ready to approve the ALT2 hook. (I wonder though if gramatically we need to write "attended the festival in 2016"?) Iselilja (talk) 18:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Additional changes made. Good catch on the French source. I've been thinking about your question about the grammar. I think that we could make the change, but that both ways would be fine grammatically. Egsan Bacon (talk) 04:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
