Template:Did you know nominations/Evelyn Terhune

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:47, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Evelyn Terhune

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... that asked why the U.S. had never won an Olympic gold medal in fencing, former Olympian Evelyn Terhune said it's because "American fencers just haven't been willing to pay the price for a medal"? "'“People ask me why this country hasn't won a gold medal in fencing at the Olympics,' said Miss Terhune, who has just been named to the United States Olympic Fencing Games Committee that will select the 1976 squad for Montreal. Price Too High 'I have a simple answer, she continued. 'American fencers just haven't been willing to pay the price for a medal. You just can't fence an hour or two every other day and expect to win in international competition. You have to be willing to practice five or six hours a day like our swimmers, who have been so successful in the Olympics.'"

Reviewed: Court Square–23rd Street (New York City Subway)

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 7 February 2018 (UTC).

@Alansohn: I like it. Expansion OK, hook OK. Suggest slightly more concise version: "ALT1:~~... that former Olympian Evelyn Terhune explained that American fencers have never won an Olympic gold medal because they "just haven't been willing to pay the price for a medal"?~~ ~Anachronist (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good to go for ALT3. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Anachronist, the ALT1 hook you suggest is better. Note that I fixed a typo and added an ALT1 tag to your comment above. Alansohn (talk) 00:05, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find the quote in the hook a little obscure and not even correct anymore, as according to our article Fencing at the Summer Olympics, the U.S. has 2 gold medal winners in Olympics fencing. I think you could write a better hook from the information in the article. Yoninah (talk) 00:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

How about just adding the date? "...that former Olympian Evelyn Terhune stated in 1973 that American fencers had never won an Olympic gold medal because..." ~Anachronist (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

It will make the hook too long. And it's outdated information (or conjecture, actually). Yoninah (talk) 22:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Adding just two words "in 1973" to the ALT1 version, which was already more concise, is too long? ~Anachronist (talk) 23:12, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Yoninah, may I suggest ALT2:... that former Olympian Evelyn Terhune said in 1973 that American fencers hadn't yet won an Olympic gold medal because they "just haven't been willing to pay the price for a medal"?

I'm sorry, the hook fact is simply stale news. Here are some alts:
ALT3: ... that Evelyn Terhune, a member of the U.S. fencing team at the 1960 Summer Olympics, took up the sport on a dare? From ref 2 in the article: https://www.nytimes.com/1973/06/20/archives/coach-with-a-point-new-jersey-sports-price-too-high-started-on-a.html
ALT4: ~~... that as the fencing coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University from 1958 through 1974, Evelyn Terhune's teams never had a losing season?~~
Pinging @Alansohn:. Yoninah (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Yoninah, I had considered a version of ALT4, which is mildly interesting. ALT3 isn't bad, but no context is available to indicate to the reader whether the school's teams faced meaningful competition during that time. ALT2 is only "stale news" because of a history post-1973 of increased training in the sport that has prepared American athletes to compete at the sport's top-most levels; that's the point of the word "hadn't" in the ALT2 hook and why it's inherently interesting. At this point I'll go with any of the three. Alansohn (talk) 22:00, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. New reviewer needed for ALTs 3 and 4. Pinging @Anachronist:. Yoninah (talk) 22:18, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
In my opinion, ALT3 is a more interesting hook. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Anachronist: can you verify it and give it an approval tick? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I confess I don't spend much time in DYK (I happened across this entry after submitting my own DYK nomination elsewhere), so I am not sure what you mean by 'approval tick' but I updated my comment in the template above and added a citation for ALT3. Is that sufficient? ~Anachronist (talk) 19:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Anachronist: No, it means you should verify the hook source and then copy one of those colorful icons above the edit window here. Then the bot knows to promote this to the Approved page. You don't need to write in the hook source. Yoninah (talk) 19:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

ALT3 hook source is verified and approved. @Yoninah: like that? ~Anachronist (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Anachronist: Perfect! Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)