Template:Did you know nominations/Euan Duthie, Lord Duthie
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 22:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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Euan Duthie, Lord Duthie
- ... that the Scottish judge Lord Duthie gave legal advice to the European Union Naval Force? Source: [1] and [2]
- ALT1: ... that the Scottish judge Lord Duthie served as a Lieutenant in the Royal Naval Reserve? Source: [3] and [4]
- ALT2: ... that the Scottish judge Lord Duthie served as an officer in the Royal Naval Reserve? Source: [5] and [6]
- Reviewed: The Rape of the Sabine Women (Poussin)
- Comment: If the hooks are not exciting enough, there are lots of newspaper reports of the somewhat revolting cases that Duthie had to oversee when he was Sheriff - if necessary I can add one or more of those into the article and use one as a hook - for example he is said to have "blasted" one young man for attempting to incite a suicide, etc., etc.
Created by TheBishopAndHolyPrince (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 18:04, 29 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Euan Duthie, Lord Duthie; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Per WP:DYKLEN, the minimum length for an article to be eligible for DYK is 1500 characters. This article only barely scrapes by (1503 using my character counting tool). This count includes the rather substantial number of titles he's held, which accounts for a large proportion of the prose. I would appreciate, if possible, even just one more sentence about him that describes what he was doing at these positions or if anyone expressed thoughts about his performance. If not, we can proceed–the article indeed narrowly clears the bar. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Pbritti. I have added some more facts (with citation), and according to DYK Check, the article now has 2379 characters. (I had hesitated to add those facts previously, because they are so depressing). Storye book (talk) 16:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
@Storye book: Upon review, I have BLPCRIME concerns about the addition. Earwig came back good, so I say you just need to consider some other addition to the article. However, work has suddenly precluded me from further reviewing. My sincerest apologies for leaving you here. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- There was actually nothing wrong with the addition that you are talking about, since no names were mentioned. BLPCRIME refers to individuals whose names are mentioned in the article, but my addition did not mention names. The link in the citation gives only newspaper headlines, which do not contain names. In order to find out those names, you would have to pay a subscription to get beyond the paywall - which is not our concern. However, I have replaced my edit with a general list of typical offences encountered by the sheriff. Our next reviewer will therefore have nothing to worry about. Storye book (talk) 09:11, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- @TheBishopAndHolyPrince and Storye book: Lots to whinge about here I'm afraid. For starters, Who's Who is listed at WP:RSP as generally unreliable, so would need to be replaced. Refs 2 and 3 are blatant violations of WP:BLPPRIMARY, and so would need to come out. Pbritti was right to yeet the additions discussed above, but for a different reason; search results are not permitted as references, although I can't find the policy to that effect. More seriously, however is that a) removing the aforementioned would take this well below 1500 characters, b) there are multiple short sections that would need to be expanded per WP:DYKCOMPLETE, and c) I'd even go so far as to suggest that as written this article deserves {{notability}}, but solving the rest should kill two birds with one stone, at which point I will review this in full.--Launchballer 19:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I have removed and replaced the Who's Who ref. I have removed the refs which you called 2 and 3, though my multiple edits have now changed the ref numbers (please kindly give ref source names rather than numbers for clarity next time?). Please let us know which "multiple short sections" you believe to need expansion? The current character count is 1671 characters. Storye book (talk) 20:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Business certainly, and to a lesser extent Military and possibly the first paragraph of Law (although that could easily be knocked into the next one). With hindsight, I suspect the problem lies in separating them. (You definitely need a cite for his marriage if you plan on leaving it in the article.)--Launchballer 14:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I have un-separated the paras as per your request. DYK check gives 1629 characters of readable prose. Storye book (talk) 17:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Much better. Okay, long enough, new enough. No neutrality issues found, no maintenance issues found, Earwig only picks up titles. QPQ done. I am not happy about using a reference with /tag/ in the URL (Courier & Evening Telegraph, currently ref #4) as you should really cite each article, but I still can't find the policy to that effect and it probably isn't a DYK issue anyway, so you're off the hook. Both hooks short enough, though I find ALT1 more interesting (just), both should probably start "the Scottish judge", and I'd want to see a better source anyway (it's on this page as Who's Who).--Launchballer 11:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- I have adjusted ALTs 0 and 1 as you requested, and added ALT2 because "officer" appears in the citations. I have not struck ALTs 1 and 2, because I still believe that it is likely to be true, and that there must be a better citation out there somewhere - just need to find it. So at the moment I'm recommending ALT2. Storye book (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Much better. Okay, long enough, new enough. No neutrality issues found, no maintenance issues found, Earwig only picks up titles. QPQ done. I am not happy about using a reference with /tag/ in the URL (Courier & Evening Telegraph, currently ref #4) as you should really cite each article, but I still can't find the policy to that effect and it probably isn't a DYK issue anyway, so you're off the hook. Both hooks short enough, though I find ALT1 more interesting (just), both should probably start "the Scottish judge", and I'd want to see a better source anyway (it's on this page as Who's Who).--Launchballer 11:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I have un-separated the paras as per your request. DYK check gives 1629 characters of readable prose. Storye book (talk) 17:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Business certainly, and to a lesser extent Military and possibly the first paragraph of Law (although that could easily be knocked into the next one). With hindsight, I suspect the problem lies in separating them. (You definitely need a cite for his marriage if you plan on leaving it in the article.)--Launchballer 14:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I have removed and replaced the Who's Who ref. I have removed the refs which you called 2 and 3, though my multiple edits have now changed the ref numbers (please kindly give ref source names rather than numbers for clarity next time?). Please let us know which "multiple short sections" you believe to need expansion? The current character count is 1671 characters. Storye book (talk) 20:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
