Template:Did you know nominations/Environmentalism of the poor
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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:29, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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Environmentalism of the poor
... that environmentalism of the poor differs from mainstream environmentalism by emphasizing social justice issues instead of conservation and eco-efficiency?Source: Guha, Ramachandra (1998). Varieties of environmentalism : essays North and South. Juan Martínez Alier (1st ed.). Delhi: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-564317-8. OCLC 40163778.
Created by Larataguera (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 04:13, 26 April 2022 (UTC).
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Two cn issues - Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting: - Hook interest is a bit borderline to me, since it is kind of a basic definition. Do you think you could provide an alternative hook, perhaps some more interesting struggles that came out of the movement?
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(t · c) buidhe 23:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think I've handled the citation issues. Let me know if you need anything else. I don't think this is the greatest hook either. Maybe:
Alt1 ... that environmentalism of the poor could become the most important force for an ecologically sustainable society?Source: Davey, Ian (2009) Environmentalism of the Poor and Sustainable Development: An Appraisal JOAAG 4:1:1
- Larataguera (talk) 01:33, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Alt2 ... that environmentalism of the poor is a social movement where impoverished people struggle against powerful state or private interests that threaten their livelihood, health, sovereignty, and culture?Guha, Ramachandra (1998). Varieties of environmentalism : essays North and South. Juan Martínez Alier (1st ed.). Delhi: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-564317-8. OCLC 40163778.- --evrik (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- or possibly,
Alt3 ... that well established ideas about sustainability are contradicted by environmentalism of the poor?Source: Davey, Ian (2009) Environmentalism of the Poor and Sustainable Development: An Appraisal JOAAG 4:1:1 - Larataguera (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- or possibly,
I'm not convinced, asking for a second opinion on hooks. (t · c) buidhe 18:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)- Not a review, but ALT1 and ALT2 sound borderline soapboxy to me. ALT3 gives me the question "by how?" so I don't think that's suitable either. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:50, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, isn't the whole point of a hook to raise a question so that people want to click on it? The answer to that question is in the article. Larataguera (talk) 11:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- There's a fine line between "vagueness that makes you want to learn more" and "vagueness that makes you confused and disinterested", and the way I see it, ALT3 is the latter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, thanks for that clarification. Would you be interested to suggest an alternative hook for this article? Larataguera (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, as the topic is beyond my expertise I am probably not the best person to ask for a new hook right now, I can really only comment on a hook's suitability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:55, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, thanks for that clarification. Would you be interested to suggest an alternative hook for this article? Larataguera (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- There's a fine line between "vagueness that makes you want to learn more" and "vagueness that makes you confused and disinterested", and the way I see it, ALT3 is the latter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, isn't the whole point of a hook to raise a question so that people want to click on it? The answer to that question is in the article. Larataguera (talk) 11:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Alt2a ... that environmentalism of the poor is a social movement that focuses on social justice issues and not conservation and eco-efficiency?
Alt4 ... that environmentalism of the poor is one of three types of environmentalism identified by Joan Martinez-Alier?Source: Guha, Ramachandra (1998). Varieties of environmentalism : essays North and South. Juan Martínez Alier (1st ed.). Delhi: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-564317-8. OCLC 40163778.Larataguera (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)Alt5 ... that the Chipko movement is an example of environmentalism of the poor?Source: Davey, Ian (2009) Environmentalism of the Poor and Sustainable Development: An Appraisal JOAAG 4:1:1 Larataguera (talk) 11:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)- Alt6 ... that environmentalism of the poor is a global movement arising from local environmental conflicts? Source:Martínez Alier, Juan (2005). The environmentalism of the poor : a study of ecological conflicts and valuation. New Delhi: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-567328-X. OCLC 61669200.Larataguera (talk) 11:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think ALT6 is fine. It's not confusing nor uninteresting. It contrasts global vs. local, and hints at the relation of environment and economic disadvantage. I looked into the cited source: [1] and the hook is well sourced. The two cn issues (above) have been addressed. I think the nom is good to go. Bammesk (talk) 02:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
