Template:Did you know nominations/Ella Orr Campbell
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Jolly Ω Janner 03:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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Ella Orr Campbell
[edit]... that New Zealand botanist, Ella Orr Campbell won three university blues in field hockey ....?
5x expanded by Ambrosia10 (talk), Wittylama (talk). Nominated by Duckduckstop (talk) at 16:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC).
- This is an orphaned nomination from March 2015 which was never transcluded to the DYK nominations page and which I have rescued per the discussion at WT:DYK#What to do with the remaining untranscluded nominations?. Much of the early page history was blanked due to copyvio concerns. I went through the entire article and did not note any further copyvio or close paraphrasing concerns.
- Here is a formatted and tweaked revision of the hook:
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... that Dame Ella Orr Campbell, a New Zealand botanist, won three university blues in field hockey? - Here is a QPQ for this nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Corn stew. I am adding myself as a nominator. Yoninah (talk) 00:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I wanted to give this the go-ahead – I know the article because I was involved in identifying the copyright problems here. However, I find that those problems still persist; the copying from this source has been removed, but there's still unacceptable close paraphrasing from here. I don't believe this can go forward unless that is addressed. Sorry, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- Apart from that, the article is neutral, well sourced and cited, long enough, in line with policy; the hook is interesting and properly cited, QPQ is done. Obviously, the article is not new, but I imagine that that doesn't matter in this case. I'd like to see this rather wonderful person on the main page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Justlettersandnumbers, When I try to open the Earwig copyvio detector to check what close paraphrasing you're referring to, it gives "0.0% - violation unlikely" because the only text the detector can see is "An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie" etc. [1]. My theory is that this is because it takes frickin' ages to load the actual article in question.[2] I tried this in two browsers with the same result. Although I'm not the original author of this biography, from the nature of the previous problems I assume that the concern your own research identified is similar: that there are only so many ways you can phrase things like the list of species she studied. If you can specify the phrases that your research flagged as problematic (perhaps on the article's talkpage, I can rewrite them. Wittylama 11:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
- Wittylama, the trick there is to copy the text of the newspaper clipping and and save it as a plain text file; then you can use the Advanced option of the DupDet tool for the comparison. The first hit I get in that way is "was captain of the otago women's hockey team and the new zealand university team for which she won three university blues", compared with "was captain of the otago women's hockey team and the new zealand university team for which she received three university blues" in the source. That has nothing to do with lists of species, it's just plain common or garden copyright violation.
- If you do decide to work on this, please remember that copyright violations must be removed, not rephrased. Of course, if you had not removed the copyvio template on 23 March 2015 (which you weren't entitled to do unless you are an admin, OTRS agent or copyright clerk, and I don't see that you are any of those things), this article would have been properly processed at WP:Copyright problems and the whole matter would have been dealt with long ago. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:45, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Field horsetail
- Submitting another alt for your consideration:
- ALT2:
... that the New Zealand botanist Dame Ella Orr Campbell was the first to correctly identify field horsetail (pictured) in her hometown of Palmerston North as an invasive species?Yoninah (talk) 00:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Are you still there, @Justlettersandnumbers:? Reviewer needed to recheck close paraphrasing and verify ALT2. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
I did not detect any close paraphrasing and believe this issue is cleared up. Alt 2 has an inline citation. However, the source did not state directly that she was the first to identify the field horsetail (only that she did identify it and warned of its aggressive and persistent nature.SojoQ (talk) 02:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking up this review, @SojoQ:. The source does not specifically say she was the first, but it certainly implies it by saying that she was the only one to identify it as invasive while everyone else thought it was ornamental. Would you like me to rewrite the hook fact here and in the article as follows?
- ALT3: ... that while everyone else thought that the field horsetail (pictured) growing on nursery land in Palmerston North was ornamental, Dame Ella Orr Campbell correctly identified it as an invasive species? Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
