Template:Did you know nominations/Ebrahim Ismail Ebrahim
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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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Ebrahim Ismail Ebrahim
Ebrahim in 2010
- ... that anti-apartheid activist Ebrahim Ismail Ebrahim (pictured) was kidnapped from Swaziland (now Eswatini) and sentenced in South Africa for 20 years in a trial that was later deemed illegal? Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-was-ebrahim-ebrahim-indian-origin-anti-apartheid-veteran-7661106/ https://www.voanews.com/a/ebrahim-ismail-ebrahim-south-african-anti-apartheid-icon-dies-at-84-/6341894.html
- ALT1: that South African anti-apartheid activist and revolutionary Ebrahim Ismail Ebrahim (pictured) would confuse warders at the Robben Island maximum security prison by playing Bollywood music?
[1] Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/MLS_Cup_2021 Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 03:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC). Note to reviewer: My preference is for ALT1. More suitable for DYK. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 06:47, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Interesting life, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and a great illustration. I'm not happy with the hooks. The first says more about the system than him, and the second - I don't understand. Perhaps it's just me. How about saying that he did two academic grades while imprisonened? ... or in the same prison as Mandela? - also waiting for qpq --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt:. Thanks. I will add the QPQ soon. I would want to go with either of the proposed hooks. My first preference is ALT1 and second preference is ALT0. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 16:37, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- QPQ done. Passing back to reviewer. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 20:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Would you mind explaining to me what ALT1 means? I'd not feel good about passing a hook I don't understand, and I don't like the other much, as explained: he is all passive in being kidnapped and in prison. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @Gerda Arendt: Re: ALT0 -- that one is anything but passive. He was a revolutionary who was underground as a part of the ANC's armed resistance wing (MK) -- specifically, in this case there was an ambush I believe and he was abducted by an apartheid security force from Swaziland and captured there and brought to SA and imprisoned for the second time in Robben Island. After 1991 when the courts of appeal were set up, he was released with the note that the SA jurisdiction did not extend into the neighboring country and hence the trial that got him in was illegal. RE: ALT1, the hook references his love for Indian film music particularly of Lata Mangeshkar, Geeta Dutt et al and says that when the prisoners had a chance to
choose music to broadcast in the cells, he did the same, delighting in confusing the warders with sitars and Bollywood.
Warders = prison guard. Hope this helps. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 07:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)- Hello! Please indent per the essay on top of User talk:Drmies.
I approve both hooks then, but still don't see any activity of him in the original (only unjust reactions to it), and don't understand what is confusing about the love of Bollywood music for someone with Indian roots (which seems quite the normal thing to me). Nevermind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Thanks Gerda. Ktin (talk) 16:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I've re-opened this nomination after closing, since I can't grant the special request to put this in image slot right now with DYKNA's current mix. This nomination probably shouldn't be put in the image slot until at least after Christmas. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 22:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Thanks Gerda. Ktin (talk) 16:39, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @Gerda Arendt: Re: ALT0 -- that one is anything but passive. He was a revolutionary who was underground as a part of the ANC's armed resistance wing (MK) -- specifically, in this case there was an ambush I believe and he was abducted by an apartheid security force from Swaziland and captured there and brought to SA and imprisoned for the second time in Robben Island. After 1991 when the courts of appeal were set up, he was released with the note that the SA jurisdiction did not extend into the neighboring country and hence the trial that got him in was illegal. RE: ALT1, the hook references his love for Indian film music particularly of Lata Mangeshkar, Geeta Dutt et al and says that when the prisoners had a chance to
- Would you mind explaining to me what ALT1 means? I'd not feel good about passing a hook I don't understand, and I don't like the other much, as explained: he is all passive in being kidnapped and in prison. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
ALT1 to T:DYK/P7