Template:Did you know nominations/Ebbo Bastard

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 13:23, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Ebbo Bastard

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... that Australians refused to call this bastard a bastard but he would tell a policeman that he was a bastard? Source: The Official Springbok Opus. Bookbaby. ISBN 0993387837.

Reviewed: Monster in the Mirror
Comment: For April Fools Day

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 13:39, 3 January 2019 (UTC).

Somehow I see more humor potential in the Bastard Trophy and/or that his son led a sausage renaissance. E Eng 14:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
@EEng: It's intended to reference Aussie folklore where Douglas Jardine demanded an apology for being called a bastard during the bodyline series and the Aussie captain asked "which of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?" The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah yes, the bodyline series. Who could forget. E Eng 15:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
For that reason, I'm happy to proceed with what I have originally proposed. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I was just kidding. E Eng 17:54, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry @EEng:, I'm not quite following? Are you reviewing or not? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
The nom caught my eye and I thought I'd highlight some other fun-sounding things I found while reading the article. I don't think I'm competent to review this one though. I apologize for sowing confusion. E Eng 18:21, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
User:The C of E, I don't get the hook. What is the antecedent of the last "he"? Because no one in the article calls someone else a bastard, though two different policemen infer that Bastard was a bastard. Then there's the matter of the piping of the name--"this bastard" should be "this Bastard", of course. Besides that, the article is new enough and long enough, and I see no plagiarism. Image seems fine as well. Don't know what EEng is doing, but I just reviewed, I suppose. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't know what I'm doing either. E Eng 18:21, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

OK, It's supposed to read that Aussies refused to call Ebbo a Bastard by refusing to say his last name, but that Bastard (he) was happy to tell a policeman that he (Bastard) was a Bastard. I didn't capitalise it as it was for April Fools Day. Does that help @Drmies:? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
- Basicly the last bit is designed to infer that he called the policeman a bastard. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  - But that's not in the article, as far as I can see. User:EEng, you've dealt with April 1 DYKs--can we mess around with capitals in this way? Sorry C of E, but the more I look at it, the more I'm troubled by the grammar: the press didn't refuse to call him "a bastard"; they refused to call him "Bastard"--it's not just a capital, it's an article too. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@Drmies: It is in the article where it says he gave his name and the policeman thought he was just being rude. Plus it clearly says in WP:DYKAPRIL that grammar can be ignored for April Fools day hooks. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

But he didn't call the cop a bastard, so that invalidates the second part of the hook. Sorry, but someone else will have to deal with the hook, maybe EEng; I'm not comfortable with judging something when I don't know which rules are out and which are still in. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 19:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

While DYK hooks in general aren't supposed to mislead -- they should be literally true -- they are allowed to puzzle the reader, so that he'll click; but on April 1 there's a lot more leeway -- it's OK for the reader to discover on clicking that he was misled by some pun or substitution. I think, though, that this one tries too hard and might be better as a regular DYK along the lines of

ALT1 ... that radio announcers didn't want to name Ebbo Bastard over the air, so they just referred to him as "Smith"?

E Eng 19:24, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

No, I don't like that one as it is certainly not april foolsy. I think if the policeman bit is the problem @EEng: then very simply we'll just do:

ALT2 ... that Australians refused to call this bastard a bastard? (a la this) The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

It wasn't meant to be april foolsy. I said I think this article would be better as a regular DYK. Your Alt2 is acceptable for April 1 but to be honest I don't think it's that great. E Eng 19:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@EEng: I specifically wrote this so it could go on April Fools Day, I'm happy for ALT2 to stand. As I said, it's mostly going to be one for the Aussies but can still work worldwide. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

@EEng: Would you be able to add the tick for ALT2 please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 00:01, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Drmies, I believe you were reviewing? ALT2 is certainly in OK form for April 1, if that's a question.) E Eng 01:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

ALT3 ... that Australian cops couldn't believe how much of a bastard this rugger player was.
ALT4 ... that few Australians believed a South African was more of a bastard than Jardine.
ALT5 ... that the bastard outflanked the husband and got shot dead on Valentine's Day.

They get worse after that. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

No thank you, we'll stick with ALT2 if you please. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Yngvadottir, they are brilliant. I love ALT5. Come on EEng, you don't like em? Drmies (talk) 01:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I do like them, especially A3, but the nominator's/creator's wishes get extra weight. E Eng 01:29, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

sure ALT2 is fine, and the rest was already found to be OK. Still, Y's hooks... Drmies (talk) 01:21, 5 January 2019 (UTC)