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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 23:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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Dijon Talton

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Moved to mainspace by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 11:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC).

  • New enough in mainspace and long enough. QPQ present. Hook checks out (only mentioning singing backup or not singing at all: Heather Morris, Harry Shum Jr. and Dijon Talton are fantastic dancers, but as their roles on the show grow, we wonder if they'll get to perform anything but backup.) and is interesting. Article has no textual issues and is decently sourced. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Since the article says Talton never sang a solo on screen in Glee, the hook is not adequately supported by the source, which is in any event far from ideal for this purpose. (While it seems unlikely that he did any background vocals in the recorded music, he could well have hit some notes in scenes when the glee club was fooling around; he does have recorded music credits elsewhere.) Further, the article has two bare URLs, which are not allowed at DYK. I'm glad to see an article about Talton, but more work is needed before this can be approved for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:08, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: If you have some wider knowledge of Talton that would supplement or add context to the sources, are there any hooks you'd suggest, as definitely accurate or more relevant to the subject? Kingsif (talk) 03:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Kingsif, I'm afraid I don't have wider knowledge, beyond general knowledge of Glee itself. Much of the "chorus" behind the solo singers was sung by studio/session vocalists, who are credited on the albums; certainly, that first season, it's unlikely that Morris, Shum, or Talton appeared on any of the pre-recorded songs when you compare those lists. However, as those lists do have errors (as noted in the articles), it's dangerous to use them as proof of any kind. I can't remember whether it was an interview with Shum or Talton where it was noted that the two never knew ahead of time whether they'd be in an episode or not. It's been over a decade, and while I thought that Talton's first line as Matt was in "Theatricality" (after the boys performed as KISS), the reviews don't mention it, and there's no way to back it up. (A comment on the Glee wiki says he had lines in both "Theatricality" and "Journey"/"Journey to Regionals", which confirms my memory of the former, and I know he also had at least one in "2009".) One possibility might be that Dijon appeared in most of Glee's first season and then not again until its final two episodes, in season six, though adequate sources may be hard to come by. (I checked the season and episode articles, and he started in episode 4, continued through episode 22 with a couple of misses in between, and then not again until the final episodes, 120 and 121. So not quite a 100 episode gap.) I can't think of anything else, though "catching" Tyra Banks is cute. It may be that this is one of those articles that doesn't provide a useful hook; that happened a number of times with Glee episode articles. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Thanks for the input; I thought it was interesting that someone could be a main character on Glee and not sing, but if that can’t be certain, there’s not too much else there, besides that wordplay. Kingsif (talk) 13:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
cites are the respective award pages. I think this is more "hooky" as well. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: pass on ALT1? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Maury Markowitz, I'm not fond of it, because the whole cast of Glee won the award, not Talton himself, so it feels misleading to me. But if others like it, I won't stand in the way. What does stand in the way is the two bare URLs that still haven't been fixed; no matter how good a hook is, this can't pass (and shouldn't have originally) without those bare URLs being taken care of. Reminder ping to Kingsif to get that done. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I should have caught that and didn't, so I've taken the initiative to clean up the bare URLs myself. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Which leaves us only an appropriate hook:

  • ALT2: ...although he only appeared as a regular on Glee during its first season, Dijon Talton reprised his role as Matt Rutherford in the final two episodes?

How's that? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I think I wrote final season or final episodes, and someone (maybe BlueMoonset?) added detail, didn't notice no extra source added, so it needs some clarification. Kingsif (talk) 23:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Sammi Brie, Kingsif, I did indeed add that it was two episodes. Aside from IMDb (which has reliability issues in certain areas), I can't find any reliable source that specifically mentions that he was in the final two episodes (or, rather, IMDb lists the two), but I have added the episodes themselves as sources since they're typically used in episode articles to substantiate the casts as the credits are displayed in the episodes themselves. (These link to the episode articles, which do list Talton as being in each episode.) I would be cautious about using the word "regular" in a hook about a show, since that typically equates to "main character", and Matt Rutherford was a recurring role rather than a starring/main one; he appeared in 18 of 22 first-season episodes, and then not again until the final two. Not sure of a good way to reword it to keep the first/final dichotomy, unless "only appeared regularly on" would be okay. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
ALT2a: ... years after he was a recurring character on Glee during its first season, Dijon Talton reprised his role as Matt Rutherford in the final two episodes?
  • Works for me. It probably means we need a new reviewer to approve ALT2a, though.
Reviewer needed for ALT2a. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Approve ALT2a. Not much more to say, seems everything else is sorted out already. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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