Template:Did you know nominations/Diadumene cincta

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Diadumene cincta

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... that the sea anemone Diadumene cincta reproduces by pedal laceration, with pieces of tissue becoming detached from the base and developing into new individuals? Source: "Basal laceration is habitual and frequent."

Reviewed: John Davy Rolleston

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 18:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC).

Everything is good; length, conformance to policy, recent expansion, and a completed QPQ review. But, the source to the hook isn't the best. I'd suggest using this article (I do not, unfortunately, have the full text) to cite the "pedal laceration" part and this article to cite its actual description, and it's relevance to the species (the connection is obvious, as they are both described the same way). Also, I'd add "with" before "pieces". RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 04:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@RileyBugz: I would have thought that the Marine Species Identification Portal was a reliable secondary source. I have changed the referencing of the section by adding Ruppert for the explanation of the behaviour. Are you happy with it now? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

It's reliable, but it doesn't really give a good definition of basal laceration, nor does it actually link it to pedal laceration in any way. Thus, I'd say that you need something else to link the behaviour in this species with pedal laceration; the reference I provided above should do that just fine. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 15:57, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth, it's been over a month since the last post, which has not been addressed. Do you plan on doing so soon? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:45, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

@RileyBugz: I added an extra reference after your request a month ago, and stimulated by BlueMoonset, I have now added another, the second one you suggested. I am not going to add the first reference you mentioned above because I don't know what the source states, but the second one both mentions this species undergoing pedal laceration and explains the process. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

It looks good now; also, by the way, you should be able to see the first source, as Springer has the first two pages free access. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 20:06, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Hello, I came to promote this, but I did a search on pedal laceration and it appears that it's a common form of reproduction among sea anemone. Either a new hook needs to be proposed, or the current hook needs to be rephrased to something more general like "that some sea anemone such as Diadumene cincta repoduce". Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 22:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I think you are mistaken. Most sea anemones reproduce sexually, a few reproduce asexually and a very small minority reproduce by pedal laceration. This anemone is not unique in this characteristic but it is an interesting fact and I see no reason to rephrase the hook as you suggest. If you are thinking that I might produce a flood of articles about sea anemones reproducing by pedal laceration, I can assure that I will not, because most of the hundreds of species of sea anemone known have not been studied well enough to know much about their biology. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:25, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Noted. However, as you said, this anemone is not unique in reproducing by pedal laceration, and while the hook is still interesting, right now the hook could imply that this species is unique in that regard. Perhaps it might be better to just go with my suggestion. And in any case, nowhere did I imply that you might do a flood of sea anemone hooks and I'm not sure how you got that idea. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I think you are reading more into the original hook than is there. If it was "... that the sea anemone Diadumene cincta is brown?", that wouldn't imply that no other sea anemones are brown. Sorry if I seemed defensive, I suppose I am a bit sensitive about the discussions on the "interestingness" of hooks, having seen so many nominations get bogged down in unending discussions about their wording. Having said that, there is no reason really why we can't have ALT1, it is just that I don't think it is necessary. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that some sea anemones, such as Diadumene cincta, reproduce by pedal laceration, with pieces of tissue becoming detached from the base and developing into new individuals?

I think ALT1 works now, since it can introduce readers to pedal laceration, which seems to be an interesting form of reproduction. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:19, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I see no reason to water down the original hook to imply that this specimen is not the only one that reproduces this way. This hook is about a specific subject, and it is accurate for that subject. It is also hooky. Promoting original hook. Yoninah (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)