Template:Did you know nominations/Dhruv Pandove

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 15:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Dhruv Pandove

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~~... that Indian cricketer Dhruv Pandove became the youngest player to reach 1000 runs in Ranji Trophy, in 1991?~~

ALT1:... that in 1991, Indian cricketer Dhruv Pandove became the youngest player to reach 1000 runs in the Ranji Trophy?
Comment: Would be great if this got posted on 9 January (his birthday). This is my first DYK nomination.

Dhruv Pandove Created by Dee03 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC). M. P. Pandove Created by Dee03 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

This article is new enough and long enough. The hook fact is well sourced, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Request for Jan 9th, player's date of birth. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:30, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I've been watching this article and was planning to nominate it for DYK and am glad that the creator did so (PS: Confirm QPQ unnecessary). In its original form, a hook about the youngest first-class century would have been much more interesting (IMO), but it appears now that the claim was inaccurate. However, youngest to 1000 runs in a domestic cricket league doesn't sound that impressive until just how young he was is in getting started in his first-class cricket career made clear. So, I suggest that alternative hooks be considered, such as:

ALT2:... that Indian cricketer Dhruv Pandove was 17 when he became the youngest player to reach 1000 runs in the Ranji Trophy?
ALT3:... that Dhruv Pandove scored a first-class century at age 14 and went on to became the youngest player to reach 1000 runs in Indian domestic cricket?

@Dee03 and Cwmhiraeth: Thoughts? EdChem (talk) 10:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Approving ALT2 (and ALT1), but not ALT3 as "Indian domestic cricket" does not occur in the article or source and therefore I can't be sure ALT3 is accurate. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:08, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, ALT3 would be inaccurate because "domestic cricket" includes other tournaments as well. Either ALT1 or ALT2 is fine by me. Dee 03 13:02, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT3a:... that Dhruv Pandove scored a first-class century at age 14 and went on to became the youngest player to reach 1000 runs in the Ranji Trophy?

Removing the piped link given Dee03's comments. I think the age of 14 century makes the hook most interesting, but that's me. EdChem (talk) 13:22, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3a are all acceptable. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:25, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Dhruv Pandove scored a hundred at the age of 14-293, his father Mahendra Pandove scored a first class hundred at the age of 16 years and 48 days in https://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/25/25291.html. They are the youngest father and son to score fc hundreds (reference - http://stats.acscricket.com/Records/First_Class/Overall/Batting/Youngest_Batsman_to_Score_Hundred.html , free registration required). His father's 100 is not yet mentioned in the article but does this look interesting enough for a DYK ? Tintin 15:54, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Tintin that another hook is possible with father-and-son data, but I would put it off until someone writes the father's article and then use both links in the one hook, something like:

... that Mahendra Pandove scored his maiden first-class cricket century at age 16 and his son Dhruv Pandove scored his at age 14?

I have not provided this as an ALT as the info is not in Dhruv's article nor does Mahendra's exist. @Dee03: would you like to write a DYK compliant article on Mahendra? EdChem (talk) 04:14, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

There's some confusion about his father's name too. Is it Mahender Pandove or Mohinder Pandove or Mahendra Pandove? Also is there a RS that says he got his century at 16? (I don't know if the acscricket link counts with its registration thing). Dee 03 07:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Confusion about spelling can be discussed at WT:CRICKET. Links requiring registration are fine. After all, journal references are used all the time despite the full text being behind paywalls. WP:V means that a source exists and has been examined by the editor, not that everyone must be able to access it online. WP:RS does not require online accessibility, offline books are used all the time, and again journals / newspapers can be behind paywalls. You can add a registration required tag to the reference. Note that there is no requirement for you to create the father's article, we could add mention to Dhruv's article and have a single-article hook, or choose another hook, for example. EdChem (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The father-son hook sounds interesting, and it's good that the link is acceptable. I'll be back in a couple of hours to create a DYK-eligible article at M. P. Pandove, as he's better known by his initials. - Dee 03 08:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

We need the ACS link only if we say that they are youngest pair. If we only want to say that MP was 16, we can use Cricinfo or Cricketarchive and provide a pair of links to his player page for DOB and match scorecard - for eg CI1 and CI2 or CA1 and CA2. The notes at the end of CA scorecard says that it was his maiden hundred - "MP Pandove (1) made his first century in first-class match" Tintin 11:56, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

@EdChem: The article for M. P. Pandove is ready now. - Dee 03 13:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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I have added the DYKmake etc for the second article and struck all previous hooks, new (double article) hook is:

(ALT4): ... that Mahendra Pandove scored his maiden first-class cricket century at age 16 and his son Dhruv Pandove scored his at age 14?

Need a review for the new M. P. Pandove article and the new hook. Request for posting on 9 January (Dhruv's birthday) remains. @Cwmhiraeth: would you like to do the review of the second article? @BlueMoonset: can you check that I've added all the extra code needed to make this a double-article hook? EdChem (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

EdChem, the DYKnoms shouldn't be included for self-nominations where there's already a DYKmake for the nominator—sometimes an unneeded DYKnom is added if the nomination template isn't filled out quite right—and I've added the new article to the DYK nompage links line. Otherwise, the code looks fine. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:35, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The new article qualifies for DYK on the basis of newness and length. The hook facts are cited and visible at Cricketarchive. The article is neutral and free from close-paraphrasing as far as I can see. Good to go with ALT4. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
ALT4a: ... that Indian cricketer M. P. Pandove scored his maiden first-class century at age 16 and his son Dhruv Pandove scored his at age 14?

I modified the hook slightly. As the father's name is not known for sure, I suggest we use the initials "M. P.". @EdChem: @Cwmhiraeth: - What do you think? - Dee 03 09:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I have no objection, glad you wukk get a two-article hook. Dee03. :) EdChem (talk) 09:39, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

ALT4a is fine and I have struck ALT4 for clarity. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)