Template:Did you know nominations/Democracy in Iraq
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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Theleekycauldron (talk) 12:39, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
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Democracy in Iraq
... that, according to Transparency International Iraq is one of the worst-ranked countries in the world for democracy?Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20110703093122/http://costsofwar.org/article/did-wars-bring-democracy-afghanistan-and-iraq- ALT0a: ... that Iraq is one of the worst-ranked countries in the world for democracy? Source: https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/democracy-index-2021/
- ALT0b: ... that the democracy of Iraq is ranked as one the worst in the world? Source: https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/democracy-index-2021/
- ALT1: ... that Iraq has only experienced 13 years in which they were not at war since 1980? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14546763
- Reviewed: N/A
Created by FormalDude (talk). Self-nominated at 22:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC).
- I am my self a skeptic and do respect skepticism of various hues; still Iraq has gone through much difficult times and it is but natural for Iraq's democracy to stabilize etc, hence no novelty in the information being provided in both the hooks. In my personal opinion, I suppose nom can do better in improving the article content a little further and think over better hooks. All the best. Bookku (talk) 09:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Transparency International does not rank democracy.
- ALT1 is an easter egg. (t · c) buidhe 13:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
New enough, long enough. ALT0 short enough and sourced (as is every paragraph). No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ done and image properly licensed. That BBC article is giving me a headache to read, so I would be taking you at your word for ALT1, but this could run with ALT0 as is.--Launchballer 16:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
@FormalDude: can you walk me through the sourcing for ALT0? As far as I can see, it's sourced to Of the 167 countries ranked for 2010, Iraq is classified as a “hybrid regime” (between a “flawed democracy” and an “authoritarian regime”) and comes in at #111.[1]
, which sounds fine until you look at footnote [1] and discover that it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index. Not to mention that it's a stretch to call 111 out of 167, "one of the worst-ranked". -- RoySmith (talk) 01:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)- @RoySmith: Sourced from "
On the Democracy Index, Afghanistan is categorized as an authoritarian regime and ranks at 150 out of 167.
". Updated ALT0 accordingly. ––FormalDude (talk) 05:24, 17 November 2022 (UTC)- FormalDude It's best to not edit hooks in-place, but rather to create additional alternates. It makes it easier to track the history of the discussion that way. I've fixed that up for you. I'm not familiar with Transparency International, but my initial impression is to be wary of them as an unbiased WP:RS. This thread at WP:RSN tends to agree with that. So, I think you're OK with the statement, as long as it's clearly attributed to Transparency International, and sourced to them directly, not to costsofwar.org summarizing what TI said. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. ALT0 is not accurate because it's not sourced to Transparency International, that was a mistake. It's sourced to the The Economist's Democracy Index, and they're actually currently undergoing an RfC at RSN. ––FormalDude (talk) 18:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- FormalDude, RoySmith, it's been a month since the last post here; where does this nomination stand, and what needs to be done? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- I still don't understand the sourcing. How is
On the Democracy Index, Afghanistan is categorized as an authoritarian regime and ranks at 150 out of 167
a source for how Iraq is ranked? I downloaded the report at https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/democracy-index-2021/. It's 84 pages long. You'll need to provide a more specific citation. A page number and a quote would be ideal, so somebody (i.e. me) can find the statement you're referring to. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2022 (UTC) - @BlueMoonset: I'll just withdraw the nomination as I don't think there's anything I can say that would make RoySmith understand. ––FormalDude (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- I still don't understand the sourcing. How is
- FormalDude, RoySmith, it's been a month since the last post here; where does this nomination stand, and what needs to be done? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. ALT0 is not accurate because it's not sourced to Transparency International, that was a mistake. It's sourced to the The Economist's Democracy Index, and they're actually currently undergoing an RfC at RSN. ––FormalDude (talk) 18:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- FormalDude It's best to not edit hooks in-place, but rather to create additional alternates. It makes it easier to track the history of the discussion that way. I've fixed that up for you. I'm not familiar with Transparency International, but my initial impression is to be wary of them as an unbiased WP:RS. This thread at WP:RSN tends to agree with that. So, I think you're OK with the statement, as long as it's clearly attributed to Transparency International, and sourced to them directly, not to costsofwar.org summarizing what TI said. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Sourced from "
