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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Aoidh (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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Dean Huijsen

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Created by Dr Salvus (talk) and Oltrepier (talk). Nominated by Dr Salvus (talk) at 21:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC). General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: QPQ satisfied. Random copyvio check found nothing, nor has Earwig flagged anything. Page is long and reasonably well written. Nominated on the 12th, making it eligible for new page creation. The hook shouldn't be this compound. Keep each fact to its own discrete lead. Change the 'Juventus U17' fact to an ALT lead.

Sourcing needs to be more granular, which should be solved by splitting the lead into 2. It's difficult to follow what source goes to which claim. Is Juventus II synonymous with Juventus U19? Pinging @Dr Salvus: and @Oltrepier:, I assume this is a co-nom. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 00:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Etriusus: Hello! Sorry for replying just now, this came a bit out of the blue for me. Yes, I confirm the co-nom and I'm happy to give my input, as well. Before I start, I wanted to clarify that this is my second ever DYK nomination - Valentín Carboni being the first one. I think it's not a problem for QPQ anyway, but still.
Right, first of all, I realized that the hook's first half is actually incorrect: according to the Dutch source mentioned, Huijsen scored seven goals for Juventus' U17 team, and I'm not sure about the number of games he played for them, either. This could be a blessing in disguise, though, as we need to rephrase the hook anyway.
I think this could be a good compromise:
ALT1 ... that Dutch centre-back Dean Huijsen went from scoring seven goals in one season for Juventus' under-17 squad, to playing for their professional reserve team in just half a year?
This way, the aforementioned nos.nl link would cover the first half, while the Italian citation would refer to the second claim (we could replace this last link with another one, though, just to have an even more reliable source to pick a reference from).
On a side note, I would exclude the Worldfootball link entirely, at this point, because it likely creates more confusion than clarity in this context (there, Juventus II is synonymous with Juventus Next Gen, the club's reserve team).
I hope I've articulated myself well enough... Let me know what you think about it! Oltrepier (talk) 11:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
@Etriusus: My bad, I forgot to mention: all of the citations used here - including the one I've proposed myself - are already present on the original article, so we should be alright from that point of view. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to review this. Oltrepier (talk) 11:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
@Oltrepier: The sourcing is fine, but it doesn't address the fundamental issue that the hook is too long and too compound for the purposes of DYK. I am going to stand by my statement that the lead should be broken up. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 03:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
ALT1 is fine by me, Etriusus and Oltrepier. The hook has 177 characters, so no issues. Dr Salvus 17:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
I altered it so that the 'alt 1' hook by Oltrepier is the main hook. I didn't realize that it was a revision at first, I thought Oltrepier was proposing another hook!!! Passing. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 17:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

provided QPQ is invalid, as it does not link to a full review with respect to the DYK criteria. 01:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Etriusus: Whoops, sorry, I didn't notice your previous message... Yes, I just wanted to trim the original hook a bit more, and actually, we could even take off "Dutch centre-back", since that part might be redundant. Dr Salvus, did you mean to link this review? Oltrepier (talk) 13:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron:, would QPQ be required for a co-nom where the one user doesn't yet have 5 DYKs? I'll revert my passing for now since Oltrepier wants to rework the hook. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 14:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
@Etriusus: No big deal, actually! Like I said, ALT2 would just take off two words from ALT1:
"... that Dean Huijsen went from scoring seven goals in one season for Juventus' under-17 squad, to playing for their professional reserve team in just half a year?"
So, I would just remove that specification to Huijsen's position on the pitch, since we added that detail to the article itself. Oltrepier (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
@Etriusus: a QPQ credit is required whenever the nominator has over five prior nominations – we don't really care about the status of co-noms, nor how many of those noms are successful. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

A full review has now been given. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Alright, now it can be passed. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 05:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
@Etriusus: @Theleekycauldron: Thank you for your help! Oltrepier (talk) 13:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Etrius, did you mean to pass this? Whenever there's a subsequent icon after the initial review, it supersedes anything that's done to that review later; you'll need to add a new icon below here for this to be understood as passed by the bots. (The bots look at the icon lowest on the nomination page; they don't interpret dates.) Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
hopefully the bot will register this now. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 18:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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