Template:Did you know nominations/Davlos

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Davlos

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The village of Davlos and its beach

... that village of Davlos (pictured) is the only place in Cyprus without the sale of alcohol, although it can be purchased just across the road in the beachside? Source: [1]
- ALT0A: that village of Davlos (pictured) is the only place in Cyprus without the sale of alcohol?
- ALT0b: that village of Davlos (pictured) is the only place in Northern Cyprus without the sale of alcohol, but even there it is sold just across the road?
- ALT1: ... that the Greek Cypriot villagers of Davlos (pictured) were expelled by the Turkish Cypriot administration in 1975, only to be replaced by settlers from Turkey who could also speak Greek? Source: [2]
- ALT1a: that the Turkish Cypriot administration replaced the Greek Cypriots of Davlos (pictured) with Greek-speaking Turks from Turkey?
- ALT1b: that Turkish Cypriot administration expelled the Greek Cypriots of Davlos (pictured), only to resettle Greek-speaking Turks?
- ALT2: ... that the religious Turkish settlers in Davlos (pictured) have become less conservative after settling in Cyprus, some of them forgetting parts of the Quran they knew by heart? Source: [3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Taingda Mingyi U Pho
- Comment: Lots of fascinating facts for me about this village. Take your pick.

5x expanded by GGT (talk). Self-nominated at 01:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC).

Article is newly expanded and long enough. Neutral, cited, and no copyvio issues found. The three hooks are within length, neutral, and cited, though none of them are particularly punchy. I'd like to suggest ALT0A as a shorter version of ALT0 - GGT, your thoughts? QPQ is done. IMage is free, in use, and shows up okay at this size. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the speedy review. Not too comfortable with ALT0A as it may be misleading to omit the fact that alcohol is actually sold just across the road - and to me this makes the factoid more interesting, although I will concede that the original hook isn’t very punchy. I’ll have a think. —GGT (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Got some new suggestions Pi.1415926535. --GGT (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT0b should be fine. Good to go. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
  - @GGT and Pi.1415926535: I'm a little hard-pressed to treat the cited source as reliable for the claim we're making here – although it's worth noting that it doesn't really make the claim we're making at all, if Google Translate is serving me correctly. The headline says that it's the only place that doesn't sell alcohol in the "northern part" of Cyprus, which might mean Northern Cyprus or might not. but then the sub-headline contradicts the headline and says that it's almost the only place? And then the claim just isn't repeated in the body?? Help me out, this doesn't seem like the best journalism. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
    - Hey theleekycauldron. Nah, Google Translate is massively missing out on the cultural context here. "Kıbrıs'ın kuzeyi" is a commonly used synonym in Turkish Cypriot press for "Kuzey Kıbrıs". It's best translated as "northern Cyprus" with a small n. It's a term that was introduced some time ago by a Journalists Union working group, it seeks to emphasise the unity of Cyprus and the temporary nature of the division, it was initially limited to the left-wing press but over the years some more centre-right papers like Kıbrıs Postası have picked up on the term and use it. Now this very clearly refers to Northern Cyprus; the extrapolation that the only place in Northern Cyprus without alcohol would be the only place in all of Cyprus without alcohol is WP:BLUESKY territory as the north is the Muslim bit of the island. However if this is a step too far for you I'm happy to change this to "Northern Cyprus".
    - The other bit is the word "neredeyse". You are right that as the simplest, out-of-context translation this word would mean "almost". The way it is used in this article though does not mean that, it is a peculiar choice of wording that I would be more familiar with in a 1960s copy of the Milliyet, but I can translate that sentence as "Kaplıca, or Davlos as it was formerly known, is essentially the only settlement in northern Cyprus without the sale of alcohol" (emphasis mine).
    - In terms of the quality of the journalism, I think this is absolutely good enough. You obviously won't get the NYT quality in the papers of this part of the world and have to be a bit discerning, but Kıbrıs Postası is a respectable outlet, and I'm familiar with the work of the author of this article, he's one of their better reporters out there. Is there anything that specifically concerns you re reliability? --GGT (talk) 19:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
      - @GGT: All right, that's somewhat better, but I'm not sure I'm convinced. "Essentially" still isn't the same thing as "is", and the claim isn't repeated in the body at all. Also, how is it BLUESKY if the northern part is the Muslim area? If this is the only village in the north that does, then how does that rule out the southern bit? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:40, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
        Because as detailed in the article, the reason to avoid the sale of alcohol is conservative Islam, which is just not a thing in the south? No worries though, I've now changed this to Northern Cyprus. With regards to the statement not being repeated in the body, I don't know what to say really. It might seem like an odd editorial practice but this is reasonably common for these newspapers, like here is another example from literally today about an NBA match. It doesn't have any bearing on the reliability of the content, and I think unfamiliarity with the format is hardly a guideline-based reason to challenge reliability. Re the word essentially, I don't think this essentially modifies the meaning here (lol), I mean it is literally the headline that this is the only place in Northern Cyprus without the sale of alcohol. The bottom line is that if you're unhappy for that blurb to proceed, I won’t quibble with it, there are multiple altblurbs that I'm more than happy to have on the main page. --GGT (talk) 08:34, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
        Aha, I see where I tripped up on north/south. WP:HEADLINE says that headlines and subheadlines aren't reliable for facts – so I think we'll skip this claim for now. ALT2 looks interesting, though, I might take a look at it when I'm making the rounds next :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:33, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Cool. Here's a suggestion to make that one more hooky. --GGT (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

ALT2a: ... that Turkish settlers in Davlos (pictured) were so conservative some knew the entire Quran by heart, but then ended up forgetting it?
- ALT2a needs review. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
  - i read hook alt2a before any of the other hooks, and must admit that the mention of "conservative" in the hook confused me because i could not understand how being more conservative would lead one to forgetting the quran. is mentioning it necessary for the hook to be effective?
    alt2b: ... that some Turkish settlers in Davlos (pictured) knew the entire Quran by heart, but then ended up forgetting it?
    the practice of memorizing the quran isn't specific to davlos, though, and it seems inevitable that many of those who have memorized the entire quran would eventually forget parts of it. was the number of huffaz in davlos notably larger than that of other settlements of comparable size or demographics? the article mentions that there were 20 huffaz in davlos at one point, but i don't know how many people (or turkish settlers) were in the village then.
    alt2c: ... that, out of the $x$ people living in Davlos (pictured) in 1975, 20 had memorized the entire Quran by heart?
    alt2d: ... that, out of the $y$ Turkish people that settled in Davlos (pictured) in 1975, 20 had memorized the entire Quran by heart?
    as an aside, i wanted to note that i agree with theleekycauldron about the synth issue regarding the alcohol hook, as i believe religion is not the only reason the sale of alcohol may be banned in a jurisdiction, so i would be wary of keeping that hook's assertion unqualified in the article. also, are the tourist areas technically part of davlos, or are they administratively part of a different settlement? the article seems to suggest that there is a beach in davlos that is part of the tourist areas where alcohol is sold, and if this is so, then that appears to contradict the alcohol hook, if "village" in the hook is interpreted as referring to the entire settlement. google also shows the beach across the road to be a part of davlos. dying (talk) 08:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Meh, I CBA at this point. I’m withdrawing the nom. —GGT (talk) 09:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Nominator stated a desire to withdraw the nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 15:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)