Template:Did you know nominations/David Segal (reporter)
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 01:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
David Segal (reporter)
[edit]- ... that David Segal writes a weekly column in The New York Times about customer services woes?
Created/expanded by Theopolisme (talk). Self nom at 20:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
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Date and length OK. However, there are some difficulties with the article. About half of the article is unreferenced, with three of the paragraphs completely unsourced. The lead mentions that Segal has been the recipient of awards, but there is no mention of that in the cited references. In the first paragraph, reference #4, a list of his columns, is given as the source for a variety of different companies covered in his work. Please give instead the individual columns. In the last sentence of the section 'The Haggler,' Segal is quoted. However, that quote doesn't appear in the source. A portion appears in the headline, but not as a quote. In the first sentence of 'Other work,' three different topics that he's covered are specified, including SEC and fraud; however, those were in one column. In the second sentence of that same section, it is mentioned that Segal has received media attention. However, the source is his own column, in which there is no mention of media attention. Thank you for submitting your article to DYK. Anne (talk) 16:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Anne. In looking at the article's history, it appears that the other content was added by a different (brand-new) contributor -- I reached out to them on their talk page asking about sources, but have received no response as of yet. Any idea for what I should do next? I honestly can't find anything to back the claims made in their additions... how long should I AGF before removing, I suppose, is the question. Theopolisme 20:25, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
- I'd give it several days. And there is mention of a Borker in one of your sources. I'd start with your own references and go from there. And, no, you can't AGF what the other contributor wrote. Everything needs to be sourced. I suspected it was a new contributor, too. Anne (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I've attempted to source the other editor's additions (thankfully, Mr. Segal wasn't too busy to check his email) -- please give it a look. Theopolisme 11:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
- Good. I'll take a look at it later today. And, don't worry, I don't have you on the clock. Anne (talk) 12:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
- There are still difficulties with this article. Some are holdovers from my last review, and some are new issues:
(1) Is the column weekly or bi-weekly (both given)?
Done
(2) Source #4 is a list of articles. Individual articles should be given.
Done
(3) 1st paragraph of The Haggler indicates "unlike other columns." Do you have a source? 3rd person is what my local consumer complaint column also uses.
Done Removed it -- looks like he's not as special as his press page made him look... True.
(4) "generally successful." Source?
Done Added some refs to 'resolved' cases.
(5) For the "jerks" quote, please include Segal's column with the quote.
Not done This wasn't him -- this was what the media called it. Clarified.
(6) SEC and fraud same article.
Done -- "SEC-related fraud"
(7) Source #10 is a blog, most of which are not considered reliable on Wikipedia. In this case though, I would keep it and add Segal's original article, "A Bully Finds a Pulpit on the Web," from source #9.
Done
(8) "Borker was arrested by federal postal inspectors eight days after the story was published"-what is your source?
Done -- removed+clarified.
(9) Joined NYT 2009? Date of source is Nov 2008.
Done Corrected.
(10) "the paper's pop music critic", source indicates he was "senior Style writer for the Post, where he covers business, entertainment, music and other sundry topics"
Done Corrected.
(11) "was published in De Capo's Best Music Writing of 2005." Source?
Done Ref to Google Books with specific page highlighted.
I feel like I've assigned homework. Anyway, I've taken care of three bare URLs and a few little copy edits. Keep plugging away. Anne (talk) 13:58, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- I've replied point-by-point above. Thanks again, Anne! Theopolisme Boo! 16:20, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Great job! I took care of a few bare URLs. One last question: There is a two sentence paragraph near the end of your article that is visible only in edit mode. (Someone has added some wiki notation that makes it invisible until a reference has been added.) "Since 2004, Segal has contributed stories to the radio show This American Life. One of those stories, "That's Funny, You Don't Look Jewish," was optioned by Tina Fey, but a movie of that tale -- about a young Hasid who joins a Brooklyn rock band -- has yet to be made." Do you know anything about this? It would be great if we could wind this up today. Anne (talk) 10:46, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Anne. Doesn't seem to be a source online about the optioning of the story "That's Funny, You Don't Look Jewish" specifically—however, I can find sources to back that he was a contributor to This American Life. We could add that, and then — if we find a source for the Tina Fey deal — we can add that as well (later). —Theopolisme 11:17, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
