Template:Did you know nominations/David Baron (Messianic leader)
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The result was: rejected by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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David Baron (Messianic leader)
A photograph of the Jewish-Christian convert David Baron
- ... that the Hebrew-Christian evangelist David Baron travelled to at least nine countries during his missonary journeys? Source: Fromow, George (1943). David Baron and the Hebrew Christian Testimony to Israel. London: Hebrew Christian Testimony to Israel.
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- Comment: David Baron is a fascinating figure. Though often labelled a Messianic Jew he rejected that label and sought to retain Jewish distinctiveness from non-Jewish Christianity. Better described as Jewish or Hebrew Christian, he was very well-travelled and a prolific evangelist.
It is a true shame that few people know about him. 5x expanded by ThePatristicsFan (talk). Self-nominated at 17:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/David Baron (Messianic leader); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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- Adequate sourcing:
- I can find no evidence that the main cited source (Fromow 1943) exists at all.Issues detailed below, as the publisher and subject of the work seem to be identical. Book probably does exist, though. - Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - Earwig does say 67.8% copyright violation, but that seems to be just Baron's bibliography.
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I would AGF, but as noted above, there is no evidence to suggest that the source exists at all.See above. - Interesting:
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~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: The source turns up in a Google search, eg. Richard Nevell (talk) 15:42, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- Richard Nevell, I cannot confirm that that is the same source, as the author (George Fromow), the date (1943), the location (London), and the publisher, are not evident in that Amazon listing. Only the title is the same, and it is curiously the same as the publisher, making me think it is a questionable source at the very least. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- The source is cited in Darby, Michael R. (2010). The Emergence of the Hebrew Christian Movement in Nineteenth-Century Britain. Brill.. There, Fromow is listed as an editor rather than author of the 1943 work. I don't know why, by the Amazon listing in Italian has information to show that the work was published in 1943, and also lists Fromow as the editor. Richard Nevell (talk) 16:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- Well, that's helpfully cryptic. Still, I do feel that the publisher/title overlap means that we can't really consider the source independent, especially considering its age and the extent to which it's used in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:41, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- The source is cited in Darby, Michael R. (2010). The Emergence of the Hebrew Christian Movement in Nineteenth-Century Britain. Brill.. There, Fromow is listed as an editor rather than author of the 1943 work. I don't know why, by the Amazon listing in Italian has information to show that the work was published in 1943, and also lists Fromow as the editor. Richard Nevell (talk) 16:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- Richard Nevell, I cannot confirm that that is the same source, as the author (George Fromow), the date (1943), the location (London), and the publisher, are not evident in that Amazon listing. Only the title is the same, and it is curiously the same as the publisher, making me think it is a questionable source at the very least. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- ThePatristicsFan seems to be active – let's see if they can clear this up. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 15:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: It seems you may have spoke too soon as they haven't been active since June 30. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: let's give them until a week after my first ping before closing up shop? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: It seems you may have spoke too soon as they haven't been active since June 30. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
It's been a week and they haven't returned. Probably time to close. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)