Template:Did you know nominations/Dan Tan Seet Eng
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The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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Dan Tan Seet Eng
[edit]... that Dan Tan Seet Eng is accused by Interpol of being "the boss" of the "world's largest and most aggressive match-fixing syndicate"?
- Reviewed: Theodor van Eupen
- Comment: I am aware of the difficulties of BLP DYKs, but any help is appreciated
Moved to mainspace by Matty.007 (talk), expanded by LlywelynII. Self nominated at 19:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC).
- I understand the difficulty in finding positive or even neutral information on this guy. How about: [ALT1]
... that Dan Tan Seet Eng, a Singaporean businessman used to be the director of Exclusive Sports?VR talk 05:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Although it will get less views, it is probably better for a non convicted BLP. Thanks, Matty.007 06:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Nooo... Aside from being bone dull, that statement is sourced to the Independent, which simply confirms that The New Paper was told he was involved with the company... by Tan himself. The article only meets NOTABILITY because of his crimes; it's only being written now because he was finally arrested: the hook should deal with that while avoiding making/shading claims on his specific guilt. How about:
ALT2:... that Singapore had to carry out its own two-year investigation before arresting Dan Tan for fixing Italian soccer games because the two countries lack an extradition treaty?
Keep the focus on the arrest and it should be fine. Meanwhile, the article itself has numerous problems, beginning with the fact that the original author doesn't understand how Tan's name works or that you don't arrest people for allegations. Lemme clean it up some before we go forward on this. — LlywelynII 10:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- In unrelated news, what is it with everyone using the Daily Mail as a source lately? Knock it off, already. ;) — LlywelynII 10:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know much about Chinese names, I have to admit. Thanks for expanding the article. Is there any chance LlywelynII could be credited as author 2? Thanks, Matty.007 13:40, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. When you get down to HK and Singapore, they're especially messy.
Thanks for the kind words. — LlywelynII 08:15, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. When you get down to HK and Singapore, they're especially messy.
- That should be better. Need outside eyes to verify ALT2 is g2g. (Although, honestly, after finishing up, I feel like the most accurate hook would be ... that less than a year after claiming Wilson Raj was the international mastermind of match fixing, Interpol now claims Dan Tan is, despite knowing he is (at most) only a middleman between Chinese money launderers and Eastern European mobs? Thaaat's not NPOV tho...) — LlywelynII 08:15, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that friends of Dan Tan, the Singaporean accused of fixing soccer matches on four continents, say he rarely watches the game?- ALT4:
... that after losing $1.5 million on the 1994 World Cup, Dan Tan fled Singapore, returning only once his bookies agreed to be paid in installments?
- — LlywelynII 12:25, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- Alt 2b is too long. I added a few words to Alt 4. Is that OK? Thanks, Matty.007 13:21, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm getting that ALT 2 (why is there a B?) is 173 characters, which is well under the max.
I removed the change to ALT4: as a compound adjective, match fixing would have a hyphen, so definitely fix that; but, also, my opinion is he wasn't fixing matches at that point (and it be too wordy to explain that) and, if we want to focus on his match-fixing, we can just use the other alts. — LlywelynII 14:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm getting that ALT 2 (why is there a B?) is 173 characters, which is well under the max.
- I understand the difficulty in finding positive or even neutral information on this guy. How about: [ALT1]
Needs full review, which should include checks on the ALT2 through ALT4 hooks suggested by Llywelyn (have struck the earlier ones as problematic). BlueMoonset (talk) 17:18, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- ALT2 can only be inferred from the article text, but not directly mentioned. ALT3 is good to go. I made the minor change from "doesn't like to watch" to "rarely watches", to be extra faithful to the source. I also added LlywelynII to DYKmake so he can be credited for his substantial contribution. -Zanhe (talk) 06:39, 15 January 2014 (UTC)