Template:Did you know nominations/DOMELRE
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:30, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
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DOMELRE
DOMELRE refrigerator c. 1914
- ... that DOMELRE (pictured), an American invention from 1913, was the first domestic electrical refrigerator? Source: https://www.ashrae.org/about/mission-and-vision/ashrae-industry-history/domelre-first-electric-refrigerator and others linked
- ALT1: ... that DOMELRE (pictured), the first domestic electrical refrigerator from 1913, was also the first to offer an ice cube tray? Source: https://www.ashrae.org/about/mission-and-vision/ashrae-industry-history/domelre-first-electric-refrigerator and one more source in the article --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ink wash painting
- Comment: Two other pd images available if the chosen one doesn't render well as a DYK thumb.
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC).
| General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- See "Hook cited" - Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - I think the source doesn't say that strictly. It does say that
The DOMELRE was the first successful, mass marketed package automatic electric refrigeration unit
and says what DOMELRE stands for, but it doesn't say that this model was "the first domestic electric refrigerator" or something to that tune. That said, this claim seems to appear for instance here, so please include the source in the text. - Interesting:
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Overall: 
The article is new and long enough to proceed to the DYK main page list. The sourcing, apart from the claim that it is the first domestic refrigerator ever produced (which is easily fixable, as mentioned above), is adequate. No plagiarism or neutrality issues detected. Hook is very interesting, it's just the source that doesn't quite say the thing presented in the hook, but again I was able to confirm it in other sources. Picture is good to go; QPQ check positive. Overall, the only problem is the "first domestic fridge ever" claim, but there are sources saying that, so when this small issue is solved (and that should literally take less than a minute), the article will pass the review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, Apologies if I misunderstood your argument, but please look at [1] again if you please - it says it was the "first electric refrigerator" clearly (in the title/heading). Domestic is an uncontroversial qualification supported by many other sources (ex. [2] and [3], both already cited). Regarding [4], I am not sure what it says that other cited sources don't, and I'd also caution against using it since it comes from a commercial company, so it is not academic and possibly promotional (not that I expect they are wrong about DOMELRE, but in general it is not best practice to use such pages as a source unless we really don't have better sources - but here, we do). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- My point was that that particular source you pointed to did not say "domestic", and I just wanted to make sure that either you have other sources already quoted to support that, or that you could find some other ones not yet mentioned in the article (the best my cursory Google search yielded was that company's webpage). Since you do have these, I now have no problems to say the nomination
Passed for me. - PS. IMHO it would have been better to cite the Food Engineering Reviews paper in the first place (or actually any other source which says "household refrigerator"), because it says that unambiguosly and is an even better source than a statement on a professional society's webpage; and to be sincere, I was only looking as ASHRAE webpage to confirm that claim and not the article's sources. Anyway, good job. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:17, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, if you wish to pass this nomination, you have to use the proper tick icon (the recognized DYK icons and their codes are above the edit window) or the bot does not recognize that the review has been completed successfully. The icon should be placed at the beginning of your comment so it can easily be found. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- My bad, I've fixed it. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, if you wish to pass this nomination, you have to use the proper tick icon (the recognized DYK icons and their codes are above the edit window) or the bot does not recognize that the review has been completed successfully. The icon should be placed at the beginning of your comment so it can easily be found. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- My point was that that particular source you pointed to did not say "domestic", and I just wanted to make sure that either you have other sources already quoted to support that, or that you could find some other ones not yet mentioned in the article (the best my cursory Google search yielded was that company's webpage). Since you do have these, I now have no problems to say the nomination
- Szmenderowiecki, Apologies if I misunderstood your argument, but please look at [1] again if you please - it says it was the "first electric refrigerator" clearly (in the title/heading). Domestic is an uncontroversial qualification supported by many other sources (ex. [2] and [3], both already cited). Regarding [4], I am not sure what it says that other cited sources don't, and I'd also caution against using it since it comes from a commercial company, so it is not academic and possibly promotional (not that I expect they are wrong about DOMELRE, but in general it is not best practice to use such pages as a source unless we really don't have better sources - but here, we do). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
