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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 19:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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Conversations about Important Things

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Created by Minoa (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 15 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Conversations about Important Things; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • It looks like this phrase was eventually removed from the curriculum [1]. So the statement is technically true but the word "almost" does a lot of work there. Are there other factoids that can be used for DYK? Alaexis¿question? 07:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
    ALT 1: ... that one of the lessons in Conversations about Important Things proposed telling children as young as nine that Russia was "more precious" than life, and that it was "not scary" to die for Russia? Sources: see original submission
    Although the passage got a lot of coverage, I also heard something about the lessons not actually being legal because of some law that prohibits political propaganda in schools, but I think I need a better source than https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/20/putin-russia-schools-ukraine. --Minoa (talk) 12:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
My point is that it's likely that no children were actually taught this. The CS Monitor explicitly says that the Ministry of Education has revised the course material to respond to parents’ objections, to remove ... the honorable nature of dying for Russia. So a more NPOV version would be "... that following a controversy it was decided not to tell children that it's honorable to die for Russia.
So maybe it's better to use something that actually happened, for example
ALT2 "... that Conversations about Important Things were seen as an attempt to introduce propaganda to school and were unpopular with many teachers and parents"
ALT3 "... that Russian parents who didn't want their children to attend Conversations about Important Things got into trouble"
I realise that it's less eye-catching, but I think it's better to mention things that did happen. Just to be clear, I cannot approve this submission since I've offered my own alternatives, someone will review it - it may take some time. Alaexis¿question? 19:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
ALT 4: ... that students who did not attend a Conversations about Important Things lesson face expulsion or a police interrogation? Sources: https://www.dw.com/en/mandatory-patriotism-classes-in-russian-schools/a-63687952 and https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/02/17/russian-tv-airs-wartime-patriotism-lessons-for-schoolchildren-a80253
ALT 5: ... that students who refuse to participate in Conversations about Important Things lessons face being investigated by the police? Source as above
--Minoa (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
ALT 6 (country clarification): ... that students in Russia can be investigated by the police for not attending Conversations about Important Things lessons? Source as ALT 4
--Minoa (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
ALT4 is both very hooky and supported by two cites, which directly state the claims. Other than that everything is GTG - new enough, long enough, well cited and overall rather fascinating and topical - looking at a yearly leader here methinks. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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