Template:Did you know nominations/Coimbatore
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 13:21, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
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Coimbatore
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A typical race day at Kari Motor Speedway in Coimbatore
... that Coimbatore is often referred to as the "India's motor sport hub" owing to its history in formula racing
- ALT1:... that Coimbatore is known as "Manchester of South India" due to its cotton production and textile industries?
Improved to Good Article status by Magentic Manifestations (talk). Self-nominated at 09:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC).
Recently promoted to good article by the nominator. The hooks are verifiable. QPQ needed.According to this, it is the first nomination by the user so I believe they are exempt from reviewing. Good to go! -- Frankie talk 10:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - The original hook is not verified by the source. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- Modified the original hook according to source[1].Magentic Manifestations (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I'd prefer ALT1 to the original hook. DYK hooks need to be certain. In this case, is the hook widely reported by other sources (apart from Hindu)? —Vensatry (Talk) 17:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- After rechecking the source I find hook nr#2 to be verified by source 67 in the article which is published by The New Indian Express. However, I am not sure with what Vensatry said of its certainty. -- Frankie talk 19:37, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
- In your review you said, "The hooks are verifiable." The original hook (ALT0?), which I had pointed out wasn't verifiable in the article then - I'm still not sure whether you checked the article in first place, because the article says Coimbatore is often referred to as the "India's motorsports hub" (when you conducted the review it was like "Motor sports Capital of India") and the "Backyard of Indian Motorsports". The second title is not covered in either of the sources (as in quotes). Both these are not even factoids and are certainly uncertain ones. —Vensatry (Talk) 06:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Magentic Manifestations: Can you come up with a Stanes-based hook? —Vensatry (Talk) 06:58, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- When I checked the sources I thought they (the quotes) were quite similar meaning wise so I thought it won't be that of a big deal. But I guess you are right about its certainty. So I suppose we might as well consider hook nr#2 unless the nominator thinks of something better? I am always game for suggestions. -- Frankie talk 08:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Magentic Manifestations: Can you come up with a Stanes-based hook? —Vensatry (Talk) 06:58, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- In your review you said, "The hooks are verifiable." The original hook (ALT0?), which I had pointed out wasn't verifiable in the article then - I'm still not sure whether you checked the article in first place, because the article says Coimbatore is often referred to as the "India's motorsports hub" (when you conducted the review it was like "Motor sports Capital of India") and the "Backyard of Indian Motorsports". The second title is not covered in either of the sources (as in quotes). Both these are not even factoids and are certainly uncertain ones. —Vensatry (Talk) 06:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Restoring the tick for ALT1. -- Frankie talk 09:14, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I most of the times do copy-vio check with Earwig's Copyvio Detector but I am not very sure if this is how it's done. I am going to elaborate on my review:
- The article is new (recently promoted to GA):
- The article is long enough:
- The hook is interesting:
- The hook is referenced:
- The hook is below 200 characters:
- QPQ: The nominator has had no previous DYK, and so is not required to review another one.
- According to this there seems to be some similarity between the article and a source. -- Frankie talk 12:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- Source removed and edited.Magentic Manifestations (talk) 18:27, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
New reviewer needed to complete the review. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- This is a long article, and I am relying on review by @Frankie. Two incomplete checks: [1] Image license checked, is fine (image quality is poor though); [2] Earwig's copyvio flags this article, but I checked the top three flagged, first two are mirror of wikipedia, the third flagged is coimbatore.nic.in and has a few phrases/sentences that are too close. @Magentic Manifestations: Please check it and the next 3 on Earwig's copyvio detector. Checking the article history, I note that you have worked hard on this article for many months, particularly since November 2015. The current article has over 250 sources cited, Earwig's does not check books and printed sources, and it will be very time consuming to check them all for copyvio. For AGF approval, is there any section you did not check in this article, which we should check for historical copyvio baggage? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Ms Sarah Welch, I have already checked for copyvio when Vensantry raised it. I have removed the second source pointed out but the sources which copyvio shows have been removed a month back and they are not part of the page. I have no clue why the tool is flagging sources not part of the revision it is showing. For e.g. sources 3 and 4, [2], [3] were removed earlier as inappropriate sources.Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Magentic Manifestations, if material in the article was originally copied from a source, that still means the material originated from that source and was copied from it even if that source citation is removed from the article. The copyright violation remains. You need to remove all the copied material. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:42, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi! BlueMoonset, this seems the other way round. The material has been copied from wiki to the corresponding pages and those sources have been removed during GA review. While the content in wiki has been provided with alternate sources, the content will remain the same as there is no reason to change content. The websites were it was copied will have similar content as it was copied from wiki. So, I don't think there is an issue unless there are specific citations where there is a concern. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Magentic Manifestations: I am ignoring the mirror websites and commercial pages. Are you sure that the Government of Tamil Nadu and NIC websites are copying from wikipedia? If that is true, then we have one of two problems, which need your attention: [1] Either we have circular sourcing per WP:REFLOOP, because the Coimbatore article cites nic.in and some of these websites (if a source has copied from wikipedia, you can't use it as a source for wikipedia articles); or [2] if nic.in etc are not copying wikipedia pages, then we have WP:Copyvio. So, @BlueMoonset is right, you need to fix this. Perhaps [2] is more likely, and you need to reword some sentences after checking icee.net.in, coimbatore.nic.in/economy.html, etc. with Earwig's copyvio detector tool. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- My impression is that even the govt. websites have copied content from wiki as the page which exactly lists with titles in wiki format and the content similar to one of the previous versions. Anyways I am removing all nic.in sources, including other sources wherever necessary if required and re-wording the content. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 19:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- I can't say for sure about the government website since archive.org doesn't have older versions, but there definitely are some instances where we are copying from other sources rather than the other way around. For example, the sentence "The city also houses small auto component makers catering to the needs of the entire gamut of the automobile industry, ranging from two-wheelers and four-wheelers to commercial vehicles and tractors" is largely the same as one from this source, which was published prior to that sentence appearing in the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Nikkimaria! Was just re-wording the above line. I am checking on other sources based on copyvio. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- All corrected. Guess it is good to go!Magentic Manifestations (talk) 20:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi MM, I'm still finding instances of wording that is too close to the sources - I'd suggest taking a more thorough look through to make sure this problem is avoided. For example, "Coimbatore has a pleasant, salubrious climate due to its proximity to thickly forested mountain ranges and the cool breeze blowing through the Palghat gap" is too close to "the weather is uniformly salubrious owing to its proximity to the continuous stretch of hills covered with thick forests and the cool breeze blowing through the Palghat gap". Nikkimaria (talk) 21:14, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
It has been over 17 days since the above, and a talk-page notice for Magentic Manifestations was added six days after that. Despite hundreds of edits on Wikipedia since that time, this nomination still contains the close paraphrasing. Marking for closure as unsuccessful, though immediate action to address the problem might avert a closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, Have made changes to concerned paras and checked the article. Let me know in case of any other suggestions.Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Temporarily reverting to previous icon to avoid premature closure since edits have been made; pinging Nikkimaria to see whether any close paraphrasing issues remain. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:43, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- A few remaining instances, such as "a preferred healthcare destination for people from nearby districts and from the neighboring state of Kerala" vs "a preferred healthcare destination for people from nearby districts and also from Kerala". Nikkimaria (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Done and checked for all cases more than 2% likeliness in copy vio detector.Magentic Manifestations (talk) 18:39, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- A few remaining instances, such as "a preferred healthcare destination for people from nearby districts and from the neighboring state of Kerala" vs "a preferred healthcare destination for people from nearby districts and also from Kerala". Nikkimaria (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, Have made changes to concerned paras and checked the article. Let me know in case of any other suggestions.Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:05, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi MM, I'm still finding instances of wording that is too close to the sources - I'd suggest taking a more thorough look through to make sure this problem is avoided. For example, "Coimbatore has a pleasant, salubrious climate due to its proximity to thickly forested mountain ranges and the cool breeze blowing through the Palghat gap" is too close to "the weather is uniformly salubrious owing to its proximity to the continuous stretch of hills covered with thick forests and the cool breeze blowing through the Palghat gap". Nikkimaria (talk) 21:14, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- All corrected. Guess it is good to go!Magentic Manifestations (talk) 20:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Nikkimaria! Was just re-wording the above line. I am checking on other sources based on copyvio. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- I can't say for sure about the government website since archive.org doesn't have older versions, but there definitely are some instances where we are copying from other sources rather than the other way around. For example, the sentence "The city also houses small auto component makers catering to the needs of the entire gamut of the automobile industry, ranging from two-wheelers and four-wheelers to commercial vehicles and tractors" is largely the same as one from this source, which was published prior to that sentence appearing in the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- My impression is that even the govt. websites have copied content from wiki as the page which exactly lists with titles in wiki format and the content similar to one of the previous versions. Anyways I am removing all nic.in sources, including other sources wherever necessary if required and re-wording the content. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 19:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Ready for re-review. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- Without our beloved Earwig it is very difficult to assess if these is copyright free. However, I have done lots of manual checks of random sentences and don't find any violations. ALT 1 is sourced, it is short enough and interesting. The article is new enough, long enough and it was nominated the day after promotion to good article. I think this is G2G! ツStacey (talk) 08:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
