Template:Did you know nominations/Clarence N. Hickman

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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 01:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Clarence N. Hickman

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... that Clarence N. Hickman, a developer of the bazooka, was also known as the "Father of Scientific Archery"?

ALT1:... that Clarence N. Hickman, a developer of the bazooka, is an AMICA Hall-of-Famer for his contributions on player pianos?
Reviewed: Sally Hemmings

Created by Amatulic (talk). Self nominated at 21:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC).

New enough. NOT long enough - DYK check shows only 372 characters (1500 needed), as bulleted lists don't count. QPQ done. As there is so much to be added, I won't check for copyvios etc yet. However, the bazooka claim looks questionnable, as our article credits Goddard as the main developer. Edwardx (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah. Didn't realize bulleted lists don't count.

In any case, our article on the Bazooka is questionable. Numerous sources, including this Encyclopedia Britannica entry, credit Hickman as the person who supervised the development of the bazooka, working with Goddard. Will expand the bio within the time window. ~Amatulić (talk) 12:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Seems absurd that bulleted lists don't count for an article involving bazookas. EEng (talk) 19:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. A secondary source, rather than another encyclopedia (ie tertiary source) would be even better. And it might be a good idea to make the appropriate changes to our Goddard article. As you say, time is on your side! Edwardx (talk) 14:21, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Found a secondary source:[1] Apparently he worked with Goddard on the bazooka during World War I, but development of the weapon couldn't be completed before the war ended. Then Hickman supervised its completion during World War II, resulting in the bazooka seeing usage in that war.

I have also expanded the bio significantly, so there is no longer any problem with the length. I've made a tweak to the Goddard and Bazooka articles to clarify the relationship between Goddard, Hickman, and the bazooka. ~Amatulić (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Also, might want to rephrase the hook to say "a developer" instead of "the developer", even though he is credited with completing the development although Goddard conceived it. ~Amatulić (talk) 15:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

My reading of source 2 (Indiana Historical Society) does not support the claim in the article and the hook, as there is just a somewhat passing mention of "bazooka rockets". Looks like there are better sources to back that up, maybe Archery Hall of Fame & Museum one? I agree that "a developer" is better (so, I've tweaked that), as according to our Goddard article, Leslie Skinner and Edward Uhl were also involved. Links to some/all of the book sources could be made available for me to check - have you used Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books before? If you copy and paste the Google books URL into the tool, it will usually generate a very full citation to copy and paste into the article. And the AMICA Hall of Fame thing needs mentioning in the body of the article with an inline citation. Edwardx (talk) 22:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Source 2 says "he designed and invented work on rockets, recoilless guns, flame throws, bazooka rockets...." Yes, it's a passing mention, and another source could easily be substituted (like the source 6, or archery hall of fame). The lead doesn't necessarily require sourcing if the same claims are cited in the body, and they are. I did just now add a line in the body about the AMICA Hall of Fame thing.

I hadn't heard of that citation tool for Google Books. Thanks, I used it to expand the two books cited in the article that didn't have links. It may not be helpful here, however, because one book isn't in ebook form, and the other doesn't let you view pages, only snippets. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Clarence N. Hickman, a developer of the bazooka, was also the "Father of Scientific Archery", and is an AMICA Hall-of-Famer for his improvements to player pianos? EEng (talk) 19:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to be away from later today until next Wednesday, 24 September. Edwardx (talk) 09:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Gosh. Is ALT2 that bad? EEng (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

As the original nominator of this entry, I like EEng's alternative proposal to try to combine both of my alternatives, although this one is a bit long at 177 characters by my count. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Glad you like it -- what's more fun than a guy who invents bazookas, crossbows, and player pianos? He's every 11-year-old boy's dream dad! I shortened it slightly by changing was also known as --> was also EEng (talk) 17:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

New enough (created by Amatulic on 12 September 2014 ), long enough (7,006 characters), fully referenced. QPQ done. Hooks verified Good to go with main, ALT1 or ALT2, but ALT2 preferred. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:36, 17 October 2014 (UTC)