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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

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City Developments Limited

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  • Comment: Reviewer to take note, the article was AfD twice due to copyvio reasons. This version was first created by a paid COI contributor, Yang Alexandra. However, myself (Robertsky, with no COI with City Developments Limited) and TheGreatSG'rean have took on to expand the draft, and reviewing/editing/removing the COI contributions in the process.

Moved to mainspace by Robertsky (talk) and TheGreatSG'rean (talk). Nominated by Robertsky (talk) at 07:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Hello, I am interesting in reviewing this nomination. How would the nominators feel about a shorter ALT that omitted the wording after 1965? Flibirigit (talk) 03:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - ?
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article was moved to mainspace on June 7 (at 01:47) and nominated the same day. Length is adequate. Some entries in the "Notable projects" section are not sourced. There are close paraphrasing isses noted here which need to be addressed. The article is neutral in tone except for the sections with close paraphrasing. Put these sections into different words will solve both issues. The shorter hook ALT0a is more interesting than the longer ALT0. The source for the hook states "believed to be unique in Asia", which is not white the same thing as "introduced ... in Asia". Some adjustment is needed here in the text and the hook. The citation for the hook uses {{cite web}} when it should be {{cite news}} since it is an online newspaper article being cited. No photo is used in this nomination, and the two images used in the article are properly licensed. QPQ is not required since the nominator has fewer than five credits. As a friendly suggestion, I recommend lengthening the introduction, but it is not required for the nomination to be passed. Overall the article is in decent condition and will pass with some minor changes. Flibirigit (talk) 17:56, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: will get around addressing the issues this weekend. – robertsky (talk) 19:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
@Robertsky: I see you have done some work on the article. Do you plan any more updates? Is it okay to go ahead with the review? Flibirigit (talk) 08:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: I am still updating the notable projects section, sourcing for references, while uncovering additional details. This should be done by the weekend if I am not distracted. @TheGreatSG'rean:, would you like to assist on adding some sources as well? As for the hook, the crux would be the phrase 'believed to be'. Given that it had happened in 1965, finding printed sources from other countries to back the claim of being the first may be tedious. As such, I think the hook can be modified further, ALT2 "... that City Developments Limited was one of the first to introduce the usage of show houses in Asia in 1965? Source: Window shopping for homes - The Straits Times, 12 December 1965 via NewspaperSG archives" or similar to effect an approximation to the claim instead? – robertsky (talk) 11:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, we can work with the revised hook. Please comment here when the other items are ready. Flibirigit (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: paraphrasing issue should be resolved as well. I am done putting up the references for the notable projects. You can continue with your review. Thanks! – robertsky (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
@Robertsky:, thank you for the many improvements. The nomination now meets DYK criteria for sourcing, neutrality and paraphrasing. My only concern is the wording in ALT2 that says "was one of the first". While I understand that is a logical conclusion, it could be questioned. Is it possible to propose an ALT3 using the word "believed"? Flibirigit (talk) 06:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: Yes, I am agreeable to the proposal. ALT3a "... that City Developments Limited is believed to be the first to introduce the usage of show houses in Asia in 1965? Source: Window shopping for homes - The Straits Times, 12 December 1965 via NewspaperSG archives" ALT3b "... that City Developments Limited is believed to be one of the first to introduce the usage of show houses in Asia in 1965? Source: Window shopping for homes - The Straits Times, 12 December 1965 via NewspaperSG archives"– robertsky (talk) 08:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Approving ALT3a and ALT3b. Both hooks are properly cited, mentioned inline and verified with the newspaper source. Article adheres to all other DYK criteria. Flibirigit (talk) 09:15, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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