Template:Did you know nominations/Christian William Miller
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
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Christian William Miller
[edit]... that Christian William Miller, inventor of Sunstill, a water desalination device, is reputed to be the one of the most beautiful men in the gay social scene of New York City in the 1940s? Source: Miller (Christian William) Photographs and Papers at OAC ([1])ALT1:... that Christian William Miller, said to be one of the most beautiful men in New York City in the 1940s, was also a inventor with works now featured at the Museum of Modern Art? Source: Miller (Christian William) Photographs and Papers at OAC ([2])
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Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 23:09, 30 July 2017 (UTC).
- Comment: "one of the most beautiful men" is not the same thing as the "most beautiful man." --Usernameunique (talk) 23:37, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- as per Wikipedia guidelines (and since an editor complained), the article was changed after DYK BUT the source says "most beautiful man". Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Elisa.rolle: Where does it say "most beautiful man"? It says "Miller was known in the 1940's New York gay social scene as being one of the most beautiful men in the world" (link), I don't see anything else. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
- it has been changed, but one source said [3] "regarded at the most beautiful man in New York gay society" the other said "one of the most gourgeous", or "one of the most striking", ... therefore we changed on "one of the most beautiful man" as per guidelines.Elisa.rolle (talk) 07:58, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
@Elisa.rolle: Updated hooks look good. How about incorporating Roosevelt into the first hook (as in, "inventor of a water desalination device displayed by Franklin Roosevelt...")? The significance seems to be not the name of the device, but that it was kept by two world leaders. Especially for an openly gay man in the 1940s, that's extremely impressive. Other than that, QPQ is done, and the article is new enough, long enough, and sourced (and the hook source now works). --Usernameunique (talk) 08:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
@Usernameunique: ALT2: that Christian William Miller, inventor of a water desalination device promoted by Franklin D. Roosevelt, was considered one of the most beautiful men in the 1940s New York gay society? Source: Miller (Christian William) Photographs and Papers at OAC ([4])
Good to go. Qualified ALT2 with "considered," since the point is not to make an objective point about his beauty, but to make a subjective point about how others considered his beauty. Especially since something like that is by its very nature subjective, a source can only say what others believed to be true, not what is "truly" true. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
