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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:13, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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Christ the Lord Is Risen Today

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  • Reviewed: Psalm 149
  • Comment: For April Fools Day, which also happens to be Easter

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Article is almost ready to be accepted: meets expansion date requirements, as well as sourcing and image licensing requirements. A QPQ has been provided as well. However, I can see some run-on sentences and typos in the article, such as "the later unknown" which should be "a later unknown", or a lack of commas in many sentences. Once these issues are addressed, this will be approved. As a Catholic myself who just got confirmed today, this will be a wonderful hook for both April Fool's and Easter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
@The C of E: You missed some, like how "1780 however" should be "1780, however", among others. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have fixed it now. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 13:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
@The C of E: One last note: remember to add a comma or semi-colon before every "however", whichever fits. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:17, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Done. Can you add the tick now please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Another user has copyedited the article and fixed the remaining problems; as such, this is now passed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • What on earth is April Fools-ish about this hook? And how is it going to look amongst a bunch of joke hooks? I suggest this either be run on another day or else that it is run simply as a straight hook. Gatoclass (talk) 10:18, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
    • The very wording of the hook ties in with the fact that April Fools day coincides with Easter this year and I wrote this hook specifically for that. It will fit in perfectly well with the joke hooks. The reviewer has already agreed that it is April Fools worthy so I would like to ask @Narutolovehinata5: if they can restore the green tick please. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
      • The C of E's explanation is sufficient so the green tick is restored. Nevertheless, if you still have issues with the hook, feel free to leave a message over at WT:DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

You shouldn't be restoring a tick over somebody's objections. This project operates by consensus, not fiat. Regardless, I think perhaps you are right that the quickest way of resolving this would be to take it to WT:DYK for further discussion, so I think I will do that. It might have to wait until tomorrow though because I will probably be logging off shortly. Gatoclass (talk) 13:37, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

And while I'm at it, I might as well propose a straight hook as indicated above which I think would be fine to run at Easter:

  • ALT2: ... that the hymn "Christ the Lord Is Risen Today" was first performed at the first service of the first Methodist chapel? Gatoclass (talk) 13:57, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
    • I am against alt2, it makes no sense to include a straight hook on April Fools Day. I wrote the original and ALT1 specifically for April Fools Day as I knew it coincided with Easter this year. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:07, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Please no. This is almost identical to Jesus Christ Is Risen Today back in 2014 and is sure to create similar unnecessary drama at the current state. This nomination definitely needs to be discussed at WT:DYK. Alex Shih (talk) 03:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

My suggestion: ... that the "Llanfair" tune commonly used for the Christian hymn Christ the Lord Is Risen Today is named after Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

No thank you, that doesn't focus on the target article at all and what on earth is april fooly about it? Thanks to all for their input but I am happy to stick with the originals as passed according to policy. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
But the community is not happy with it so it won't run. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Per Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Template:Did you know nominations/Christ the Lord Is Risen Today, it appears that this is in fact not a 5x expansion: the article was previously longer, then cut back down, and then expanded again to "meet" the 5x requirement. As the article does not meet the expansion requirements, and due to others raised in the aforementioned talk page discussion, this nomination is now marked as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
    • Objection. By the same token of the AFD rules that were mentioned, I have until 1 April to bring it up to the standards which I intend to do. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
      • Then don't forget to come up with a hook that the community will sanction. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
        • For the benefit of the reviewers, I am going to include the compromise hooks I suggested on WT:DYK that are April foolsy but lessen the impact of just having the article on its own: ALT3... that it was discovered in the first Methodist chapel that Christ the Lord Is Risen Today?
          ALT4 ... that Christ the Lord Is Risen Today in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?
          Also for their benefit, the article needs to be 7655 characters long. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure that this nomination shouldn't just be failed outright The C of E, given that you've provided no explanation for why you thought it was fine to delete a large chunk of the previous article prior to expansion in violation of the rules. Care to explain how you justified that? Gatoclass (talk) 11:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I seem to recall I did it because it was WP:UNSOURCED, so I removed it in line with the policy. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:21, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I'm going to overlook it this time, but you are a veteran DYK participant and should know better than to make such a mistake. I think I should put you on notice though that I intend to fail the nomination if I see the same thing happen again.
Now with regard to this nomination, I don't believe either of your proposed alts will suit as they don't represent empirical facts sourced within the article. TRM's alt, however, does, so I still believe we should go with that one - assuming of course, that you are able to legitimately expand this article by another 2600 characters or so, which you haven't done yet. Gatoclass (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I have made the required expansion now. As for the hooks (Which should still include an element of April fools), how about ALT5 ....that Christ the Lord Is Risen Today which is done on Easter? or ALT6 ....that Anglicans and Catholics start saying Alleluia again when Christ the Lord Is Risen Today? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:20, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The C of E has done an expansion of the article; due to my participation in the discussion of this on WT:DYK, I am deferring reviewing this to another user. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

ALT5 isn't even grammatical, and neither ALT5 or 6 qualify as April Fools hooks. Something along the following lines might work though:

@Gatoclass: I am fine with that. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks The C of E, I have struck the other hooks since we seem to have found one we agree on. I am still thinking about how we might tweak ALT7 to make it a little more interesting though, if I can't think of anything I'll ask for a review of it as is. Gatoclass (talk) 06:35, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • I can't think of an improvement, so I think I'll just request a review for ALT7. Gatoclass (talk) 13:38, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I had a look at ALT7 only, and don't support the pipe link to something that looks like a fact, nor the pipe link of the town. Word something - and it doesn't need to be April foolish for me if you want my support. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
I am perfectly happy with Gatoclass' ALT7. That is the one that I feel should run. I'm afraid I don't want to change that, I feel it is a sufficent compromise from over the last 4 months. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Approving ALT7, the rest of the review as per previous reviewers. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:10, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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