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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 21:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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Charlotte Haining

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5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 12:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Charlotte Haining; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

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* QPQ needs to be provided within 7 days of nominating. This was nominated over 20 days ago. I suggest we close this unless a QPQ turns up forthwith. Schwede66 19:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Leeds 13.--Launchballer 20:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Full review needed now that QPQ has been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Note that this is fact a double nom with House Gospel Choir, and as such I provide a second QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Shirvanshah. I also suggest two further hooks just in case:
ALT3: ... that BCee and Charlotte Haining's collaborative album Life As We Know It are filled with converted "brain dumps"?
ALT4: ... that Natalie Maddix was inspired to create House Gospel Choir after touring in South Africa?--Launchballer 16:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Still need a full review done, and there are new hooks to consider. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
  • @Launchballer: Parts of these (new enough) articles are solid. But both are based excessively on references to Spotify (WP:PRIMARY) and seem indiscriminately padded with release dates of every single song – appropriate for a discography, but undue/OR for prose. Better to include them only when covered in independent reliable sources. If appropriately pared back, probably will want separate hooks. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:02, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
I'll do these both in the morning, probably House Gospel Choir first, as it's a smaller job.--Launchballer 00:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Just done House Gospel Choir. I might knock up an article on the Official Christian & Gospel Albums Chart if I judge it to meet WP:GNG, depending on your opinion of the hook ALT5: ... that House Gospel Choir's Re//Choired charted at No. 4 on the Official Christian & Gospel Albums Chart?, though I need longer to make that decision, and I've got Charlotte Haining to do first. I can tell you, on admittedly a point of extreme pedantry, that all the dates on Spotify (which are all coming out anyway) can be accessed by either hovering over the date or clicking on the singles themselves; there is no OR in either article.--Launchballer 09:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Hameltion: I just stripped out a load of stuff from Charlotte Haining. Drum and bass seems to be one of those genres where its purveyors are absolutely full of themselves, causing me to overstate the importance of most of her works.--Launchballer 11:05, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
@Launchballer: What makes some of these replacement sources for HGC reliable (themusicessentials.com seems sponsored, findyoursounds.com)? And Haining is still half sourced to databases and other primary sources. To be clear, the OR here was not about whether information is correct (Spotify can help supplement with dates), but whether a large amount of information is independently noteworthy at all. I'm not eager to pass these articles at the moment, but second opinion wanted for their current or future state. ALT2 (if copyedited and and independently verified) would be interesting. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 13:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Just to say that neither source currently appears in Haining's article.--Launchballer 23:27, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I have now made further fixes and expanded House Gospel Choir, adding more secondary sources including album and concert reviews, and answering basic questions one would expect to have explained in an encyclopedia article, like "What year did the choir start?" and "How many members does it have?" and "What kind of music do they sing?" I would propose splitting out this nomination separately from Charlotte Haining, as I think more interesting hooks are possible for HGC on its own. ALT2 above certainly got my attention in the first place; have now inserted "very" before "first". Here is another one for consideration:
 Done.--Launchballer 08:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed to review Charlotte Haining fully as a separate nomination now that House Gospel Choir has been separated from this one. Striking all hooks that include House Gospel Choir. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
    Article was new enough when nominated, and is long enough. Reviewing this revision: I don't see "Jane" in #1 and it's probably not an ideal source for such content. #2 is broken. What makes #3, #4, #6, #8, #14 reliable sources? #8 is a bit too closely paraphrased. Not DYK relevant, but there is some inconsistency in date format. I don't see "Loud LDN" in #15. ALT3 isn't sourced in text, ALT1 is OK. QPQ is OK.

    @BlueMoonset: can we collapse the old reviews? I worry that having so many previous reviews around, in part about a different page, is more distracting than clarifying. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

    Spotify is accessible via 'Show credits', #2 works for me, and #3 is the Belgian subsidiary of Lee Cooper, probably comes under WP:ABOUTSELF. #6 and #8 are interviews. #14 is an ex-print magazine with a 40-year history, and seems to still have multiple staff, but I'm unnerved by the lack of an about page. Loud LDN was previously known as "Ladies Making Noise in London".--Launchballer 10:03, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
    I don't see a "show credits" button? For me #2 just shows a black box. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Hovering over the track should make three dots appear. "Show credits" would appear if you click those. However, I've replaced the ref anyway.--Launchballer 07:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
That doesn't appear to work, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Works fine for me. Try this from Hill's topic channel.--Launchballer 08:36, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Going to AGF then, but the close paraphrase still needs resolving. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
I thought I already had. Are there any particular phrases you had in mind?--Launchballer 10:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
It's mostly the I saw her at Liquicity. I Googled her that should be recast a bit. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
That sentence now reads "They started working together after BCee, who was looking for vocalists anyway, saw her at Liquicity, prompting him to google her, come across her cover version of Major Lazer's "Lean On", and send her a track he had made as half of The Vanguard Project."--Launchballer 13:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
on source reliability. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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