Template:Did you know nominations/Cathie Dunsford
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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Cathie Dunsford
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Dunsford at the 2012 Frankfurt Book Fair
... that Cathie Dunsford (pictured) became a writer and anthologist of lesbian literature after finding "there were not a lot of books on the subject" in the 1970s?Source: source for quote: "I’ve always been completely open about being gay, but it was incredibly tough back in the seventies because there were not a lot of books on the subject, and there was not a strong, healthy gay culture." There's a few sources supporting her becoming a writer and anthologist, best probably: OCNZL: "She edited ... the first Australian/New Zealand lesbian collection, The Exploding Frangipani (1990)." Read NZ: about her 1994 novel Cowrie, "Keri Hulme writes of Cowrie: 'Take a wonderfully competent angling and archaeologising lesbian ...'"- ALT1: ... that Cathie Dunsford (pictured) edited the first anthology of new New Zealand women's fiction? Source: OCNZL: She edited the first collection of new writing by New Zealand women, New Women's Fiction (1986)"
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- Comment:
Will do a QPQ shortly. Any suggestions for improvement / alternative hooks welcomed. I prefer ALT0 but throwing ALT1 out there just because. Thanks in advance :)
Created by Chocmilk03 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC).
Interesting life, on fine sources no copyvio obvious. What do you think of a version without a quote, because I don't believe its unusual enough to be quoted word by word:- ALT0a: ... that Cathie Dunsford (pictured) became a writer and anthologist of lesbian literature after finding that in the 1970s, there were not a lot of books on the subject? I also prefer the original hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks Gerda! Yes, that is a good point. I like your ALT0. Could be made more concise (but I am relaxed):
- ALT0b: ... that Cathie Dunsford (pictured) became a writer and anthologist of lesbian literature after being unable to find many books on the subject in the 1970s?
fine with that version --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Chocmilk03 and Gerda Arendt: I think the hook implies but-for causation, which I can't find in the source – can that be rectified? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Thanks for your message. I thought maybe causation was provided by her later comment in that interview: "Well, when I started few novelists set their books in the Pacific, there was not much Kiwi gay writing and there were few strong Maori female characters in fiction. I wanted to write about my experience of the world. I didn’t care whether people liked my novels or not – again, it was all about giving people a voice who were not being heard." That said, appreciate in this context she's talking about Kiwi gay writing specifically rather than the general (and that there were other factors that led to her writing, not just the lack of lesbian writing). If that doesn't address the concern, how about something like:
- ALT0c: ... that Cathie Dunsford (pictured) was unable to find many books about lesbianism in the 1970s, but by the 1980s had herself become a writer and anthologist of lesbian literature?
- I think/hope that doesn't imply causation to the same extent as the previous versions — see what you think? Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 00:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Thanks for your message. I thought maybe causation was provided by her later comment in that interview: "Well, when I started few novelists set their books in the Pacific, there was not much Kiwi gay writing and there were few strong Maori female characters in fiction. I wanted to write about my experience of the world. I didn’t care whether people liked my novels or not – again, it was all about giving people a voice who were not being heard." That said, appreciate in this context she's talking about Kiwi gay writing specifically rather than the general (and that there were other factors that led to her writing, not just the lack of lesbian writing). If that doesn't address the concern, how about something like:
- @Chocmilk03 and Gerda Arendt: I think the hook implies but-for causation, which I can't find in the source – can that be rectified? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
