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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 10:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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Catherine Foster

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Converted from a redirect by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC).

  • Hello, Gerda Arendt Do you think it might be good to mention Wagner's name in the hook? — Maile (talk) 20:33, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Good for whom? I try to avoid distracting other links. Readers to whom Wagner means something will recognise Bayreuth if not Brünnhilde already, and the others will ignore the whole thing. There are also people who just hate Wagner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Although he doesn't have to be linked, "the composer's" should certainly be changed to "Wagner's"; we owe main page readers that much context, since far more people will have heard of Wagner than would make the connection with Bayreuth or Brünnhilde. Knowledge and connection is very different outside of Germany than in it when it comes to Wagner and the festival and character; this hook doesn't work without that necessary connection of Wagner to Bayreuth. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the dramatic soprano Catherine Foster, a former midwife, appeared as Brünnhilde at the Bayreuth Festival celebrating the composer's bicentenary?
I still think it's not a good idea, because is not about him and his work, but about a woman who made it from a no-name hospital to a famous place. Any such place, why him again? - I made many hooks around Wagner, intentionally so, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • That isn't at all what I asked for. Here's ALT2, which is what I hoped to see:
The hook isn't about Wagner, but including his name (note I don't think a link is necessary, but you can add one if you want) gives context and a touchstone for people reading the hook. The ideal is to have people understand without having to click on a non-bold link: the hook highlights a woman who went from one career to the top of a completely different one, and mentioning character, venue, and composer by name makes the achievement that much more interesting—if the bicentenary is mentioned at all, then you really need to say whose it is—and gives the reader more context. I've struck the hooks with "the composer", since it's like an anchor dragging those hooks down. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Full review needed now that there is a hook to proceed with. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
  • New, in time, long enough, sourced, inline hook citation checks out, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Approving ALT2. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:44, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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