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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 19:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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Carla Ronci

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Carla Ronci, "the Vespa saint" from Rimini, on her Vespa
Carla Ronci, "the Vespa saint" from Rimini, on her Vespa
  • ... that Carla Ronci (pictured), an Italian Venerable of the Catholic Church, is remembered as "the Vespa saint"? Source: https://www.diocesi.ancona.it/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/filebase/presenza/2009/Presenza200912.pdf
    • ALT1: ... that Carla Ronci (pictured), an Italian Venerable of the Catholic Church, couldn't become a nun after her communist father forcibly brought her home from the novitiate? Source: https://www.santiebeati.it/dettaglio/91558
    • Reviewed: (do not meet requirement)
    • Comment: In the source article, the reference to the Vespa (ALT0) is mentioned twice: Da allora la “ragazza della vespa”, anche senza il suo inseparabile mezzo a due ruote con il quale scorazzava da una casa all’altra del suo paese, ha fatto parecchio strada e la Chiesa 15 anni fa l’ha dichiarata venerabile. (From then, the "Vespa girl", even without her inseparable two-wheeled means with which she romaned from one house to the other in her town, has come a long way and the Church fifteen years ago declared her Venerable.); then: La “santa della Vespa” (come viene ricordata a causa delle due ruote che assai volentieri cavalcava), è una ragazza moderna, piena di vita e sempre con il sorriso sulle labbra, che mostra anche una singolare e curiosa attenzione alla propria femminilità. (The “Vespa saint”, as she is remembered because of the two wheels she so willingly rode, is a modern girl, full of life and always with a smile on her lips, who also shows a singular and curious attention to her own femininity.)

The photograph must be public domain in the USA because it was surely created before 1 January 1976, given that Ronci died in 1970. Not knowing the date the photograph was taken, I put her death date as the date of image creation in the upload wizard. Created by IgnatiusofLondon (talk). Self-nominated at 20:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Carla Ronci; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough

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QPQ: None required.

Overall: Thank you for this nice submission! First of all, I need to know if this is your first DYK nomination, just to make it clearer. Now, while ALT0 sounds particularly intriguing (good thing you've run into an Italian reviewer, by the way!), I've got reservations about the quality of the source backing it, since it looks more like an amateurish portal, rather than a fully-structured website... Maybe you could replace it with the adjacent source from SERMIG's website, although it doesn't explicitly mention the same nickname directly (and so do none of the other cited links on the article, I think). On a side note, the photo looks good and definitely belongs to public domain, but I think you should use a slightly higher resolution, if possible... Oltrepier (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Oltrepier, thank you so much for your help, kind review, and nod to possible sources!
  • I've uploaded a new version of the image; is the new one any better? I didn't want to get stuck into AI generation, so I found a slightly different version in a biennial magazine published by the Diocese of Rimini.
  • I've added some more sources referencing "santa della Vespa", as I also wasn't particularly keen on the SERMIG source. We have a local newspaper, an interview on Padre Pio TV, an article in the Diocese of Ancona's quarterly magazine, and a letter to the editor in a biennial magazine published by the Diocese of Rimini. My instinct is that the local newspaper or Diocese of Ancona magazine might be the stronger sources?
Thanks so much once again for your help. Let me know what you think! :) IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
@IgnatiusofLondon: Well done on both fronts! It's kind of a pity this new pic has less details, but at least the resolution looks better. About the sources, honestly, I'll take any of the three latter links, since the other newspaper actually hails from Salerno and looks less focused on the subject: you could use it in the "Legacy" section, though! Oltrepier (talk) 20:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
@IgnatiusofLondon: Just one more tip: try to avoid citation overkill as much as possible while adding new information, so you don't undermine the credibility of your own statements... Oltrepier (talk) 09:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
@Oltrepier: Great, thank you so much! That was a really helpful essay to read. I've reduced the number of citations in the article, and modified the DYK nomination to source from the Diocese of Ancona's bulletin. Hope that's okay! IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
@IgnatiusofLondon: Yes, it is! I think we should be good to go now: thank you once more for the massive effort you've put in! : ) Oltrepier (talk) 14:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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