Template:Did you know nominations/Carillon
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Carillon
- ... that the heaviest carillon in the world weighs over 91 metric tons (100 short tons) and is located at the Riverside Church in New York City? Source: 1. Claim made by Riverside Church; 2. Singing Bronze by Rombouts, p. 310
- ALT1:... that during World War II, 150,000 carillon bells were stored in "bell cemeteries" (German: Glockenfriedhöfe) before being melted down to make shell casings and armaments? Source: Seizing of Europe's Bells by Thorne
- ALT2:... that only about 15 collections of carillon music written before 1900 are known to still exist? Source: 2. Singing Bronze by Rombouts, p. 129
- ALT3:... that the heaviest carillon in the world weighs over 91 metric tons by bells alone, over 226 metric tons in total, and is located at the Riverside Church in New York City? Source: 1. Claim made by Riverside Church; 2. Singing Bronze by Rombouts, p. 310; "The Riverside Church" (PDF). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. May 16, 2000, p. 7.
- ALT3a:... that the world's heaviest carillon, weighing over 91 metric tons by bells alone and over 226 metric tons in total, is at Riverside Church in New York City?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/USS Pima County (LST-1081)
- Comment: This is my first DYK nomination to celebrate my first successful GAN. Happy to respond to any comments.
Improved to Good Article status by Thrakkx (talk). Self-nominated at 16:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC).
- @Thrakkx: I'll review this. Congrats on your good article! It's funny since I also submitted Riverside Church as a DYK over a year ago, having improved it to GA. I thought I had actually nominated your ALT0 before, and it turns out I proposed something similar, but a different alt had run instead. Epicgenius (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Epicgenius: Thanks for this! Hopefully we can get the heaviest carillon fact approved so we promote two GAs at once!
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Hook eligibility:
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- See below. - Interesting:
- Other problems: - The hooks are equally interesting (I myself prefer ALT0) but there are some strange things with the sources.
- For ALT0, the Riverside Church article says the total weight of the ensemble is 500,000 pounds, which would be 250 short tons. See page 7 of "The Riverside Church" (PDF). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. May 16, 2000. According to this article (citing the church's website), the bells weigh over 100 short tons or 200,000 pounds, a figure corroborated by The New York Times. This apparent discrepancy will have to be fixed before ALT0 is approved, but it is clear that the 500,000 pound figure refers to the equipment holding the bells along with the bells themselves, while the bells are about/over 200,000 pounds. I fixed this in the church article already, though.
- Typically carillons are measured by the weight of the just its bells because the rest of the ensemble is frequently replaced and the data on their weights are not available. In the case of Riverside's carillon, they measured everything else to really hit home how much weight is sitting in the tower. I do like the fact about the total weight, though, so I included it in the article. What if we combine the two facts together? See ALT3.
- @Thrakkx: I had just realized there was no conflict between the 226-metric-ton equipment and the 91-metric-ton bells. Sorry for creating the confusion, I only realized afterward that the weight of carillons doesn't include the equipment from which they are mounted. ALT3 looks interesting and falls within the length limit (170 characters), though I think we can smooth it out a bit. How about something like "... that the world's heaviest carillon, weighing over 91 metric tons by bells alone and over 226 metric tons in total, is at Riverside Church in New York City?" This comes out to 155 characters (159 if you include "the" before "Riverside"). Epicgenius (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Epicgenius: That sounds great to me; let's do it! Thrakkx (talk) 00:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Thrakkx: I had just realized there was no conflict between the 226-metric-ton equipment and the 91-metric-ton bells. Sorry for creating the confusion, I only realized afterward that the weight of carillons doesn't include the equipment from which they are mounted. ALT3 looks interesting and falls within the length limit (170 characters), though I think we can smooth it out a bit. How about something like "... that the world's heaviest carillon, weighing over 91 metric tons by bells alone and over 226 metric tons in total, is at Riverside Church in New York City?" This comes out to 155 characters (159 if you include "the" before "Riverside"). Epicgenius (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Typically carillons are measured by the weight of the just its bells because the rest of the ensemble is frequently replaced and the data on their weights are not available. In the case of Riverside's carillon, they measured everything else to really hit home how much weight is sitting in the tower. I do like the fact about the total weight, though, so I included it in the article. What if we combine the two facts together? See ALT3.
- For ALT1, the 150,000 figure is not in the carillon article.
Fixed. Apologies!
- For ALT2, sourcing is fine, but it says 15 collections with music from the heyday of the carillon. I'll assume good faith that the "heyday" refers to before 1900.
- That's right. Really the heyday was the mid-18th century, and it is believed that little to no music was written before Jef Denyn at the end of the 19th century.
- For ALT0, the Riverside Church article says the total weight of the ensemble is 500,000 pounds, which would be 250 short tons. See page 7 of "The Riverside Church" (PDF). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. May 16, 2000. According to this article (citing the church's website), the bells weigh over 100 short tons or 200,000 pounds, a figure corroborated by The New York Times. This apparent discrepancy will have to be fixed before ALT0 is approved, but it is clear that the 500,000 pound figure refers to the equipment holding the bells along with the bells themselves, while the bells are about/over 200,000 pounds. I fixed this in the church article already, though.
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Any of the alts (original, ALT1, ALT2, ALT3/a) are fine. Epicgenius (talk) 18:32, 5 May 2021 (UTC)