Template:Did you know nominations/CWF Mid-Atlantic

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Issues not addressed in time

CWF Mid-Atlantic

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... that Johnny Weaver presented CWF Mid-Atlantic's Johnny Weaver Invitational Tournament up until his death?

ALT1:... that Johnny Weaver made his final public appearance at a tournament held in his honor?

ALT2:... that CWF Mid-Atlantic once held a benefit show for an 11-year-old wrestling fan, Stephen Arrowood, who was left paralyzed after an operation to remove a cancerous tumor from his spinal cord?

ALT3:... that Don Kernodle and CWF Mid-Atlantic helped raise money for the American Red Cross and Salvation Army in the days following the September 11 terrorist attacks?

Created/expanded by 71.184.38.220 (talk). Self nom at 21:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Article was created on Dec. 10, article is long enough, and hook length fine for all choices. Source ok for first hook. AGF for source of the third hook. Cursory look sees no problem with copyvio or close paraphrasing.
Source for second hook doesn't state that Arrowood had a cancerous tumor.
I have some problems with the sources for this article. It seems full of self-published sources. Is this typical for wrestling articles, though? If so, I suppose I'd be okay with letting it go.
Needs a copyedit. For example, this the second sentence: Rudd had previously wrestled in Eddie Gilbert's Continental Wrestling Federation with Mike Howell, who also had some involvement in the , and named their new promotion the "Carolina Wrestling Federation" (CWF) to honor Gilbert (who had died the previous year). (emphasis added) Christine (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't see many self references; light copyedit may be required. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Closed, 3 weeks no action. PumpkinSky talk 23:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Restoring. This is waiting for a second review by someone who knows and cares enough about wrestling to answer the questions that were asked on 23 December. --Orlady (talk) 01:24, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

? A month with no action is more than enough time. We can't wait forever. PumpkinSky talk 03:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

In the years in which I have been involved with DYK, we have never rejected nominations for failure to get a full DYK review in a timely fashion. --Orlady (talk) 03:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

So you'd let it sit here for a year in such a case? If there's so little interest in it from reviewers and the nominator, do we really want it on the main page? PumpkinSky talk 03:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Sheesh! We have never rejected nominations for failing to get timely reviews, although many nominators are afraid it will happen. What a wonderful recipe for promoting paranoia at DYK! --Orlady (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Having said that, I revisited the article and the hooks. I've also added review icons to the hooks.

Like Figureskatingfan/Christine, I find the ALT3 hook as OK, assuming good faith. The other three hooks are not supported by sources, however, and in some cases aren't supported by the article.

The sources for the article see to be OK. They are largely online professional-wrestling publications that are independent of the CWF -- not exactly academic journals, but good enough.

There are some big chunks of the article that are completely uncited, notably the first paragraph of the "Notable talent" section and the first paragraph of "Affiliation with other independent promotions". Those would need to be sourced before this could go to the main page. Additionally, I'm bothered by the sentence "On August 20, 2005, CWF Mid Atlantic held a benefit show in King, North Carolina for an 11-year-old wrestling fan, Stephen Arrowood, who was left paralyzed from the waist-down following emergency surgery to remove a cancerous tumor from his spinal cord," since the only elements in the sentence that are actually sourced are the name of the event, the date, and the location; the content about the kid and his affliction is totally unsourced (and when I search the Internet for corroboration, all I can find is this article, in various forms).

Bottom line: Unacceptable unless more sourcing is provided. --Orlady (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

So it got restored and we found the same problem. Big surprise. Let's let it sit a year this time.PumpkinSky talk 01:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what "problem" you are calling "the same."

Regardless, after I posted my comments above, the article's creator returned and added some sources to the article. The first hook (about Johnny Weaver's last appearance) is now in the article and is sourced to a fansite. There is now a citation, to a post in a Yahoo! group by promoter from a different(?) wrestling organization, documenting the illness of Stephen Arrowood. Several citations were added to the paragraphs that I identified as unsourced.

The article was improved by those changes. However, neither of the sources added for the hooks qualifies as a reliable source. Furthermore, the sources that were added to the two paragraphs lend credibility to the paragraphs, but these and other sources cited in the article do not actually verify a large fraction of the content (in those paragraphs and in the article as a whole). For example, one source cited is a rather old webpage that lists "Carolina Wrestling Federation" as a member of "Frontier Wrestling Alliance" and lists many affiliated wrestlers. The website, which appears to date from circa 2002-2003, lends credibility to various statements about former relationships of CWF and FWA, but it does not actually substantiate the statements in the article about the nature, establishment, and dates of the relationship between CWF and FWA. At this point, I'm still not comfortable with featuring the article in DYK. --Orlady (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Given all the above we should fail this and put the nomination out of its misery. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)