Template:Did you know nominations/By the Grace of God (song)

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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 01:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

By the Grace of God (song)

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~~... that in her 2013 ballad "By the Grace of God", American singer-songwriter Katy Perry is depicted "laying on her bathroom floor" while "battling suicidal thoughts"?~~

Created/expanded by Pedro João (talk). Self nominated at 15:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC).

Article is new enough for the nomination time and has sufficient prose. However, the quotation "battling suicidal thoughts", cited to Billboard, does not appear in the source. The closest thing to it are the words of author Matt Diehl who writes that the single "begins with Perry lying on the floor of a bathroom, fighting suicidal thoughts". In any instance, it contravenes our policy that negative portrayals of living people (of which I would count depression and thoughts of suicide) should not appear in hooks. You'll need to find another one. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Helen Brown from The Daily Telegraph wrote that American singer-songwriter Katy Perry "sounds like a woman, and an artist, who's finally found herself" in her 2013 ballad "By the Grace of God"? prism △ 12:50, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

New ALT1 hook (I just numbered it) needs review (suggest "affirmed" be changed to a more neutral word like "wrote" or "said"); just struck original hook due to issues raised above. Sourcing should be checked, and I don't see any mention in the original review of a close paraphrase check, so that should also be checked. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I really don't understand what you're saying relatively to the sourcing and the mention... prism △ 19:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Pedro, sorry for the confusion: those were meant for the reviewer: DYK reviews should check to be sure there isn't any close paraphrasing, that the hook is cited inline, and that the usual requirements of no bare URLs and at least one inline source per paragraph are followed. I haven't looked at the article myself; this was in the way of a reminder that these things need to be checked as the first review didn't mention having checked them. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Article is new enough, long enough, well-referenced, at least one inline ref in every paragraph, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed, as this is nominator's first DYK nomination. Something needs to be done about formatting footnote 21, however, before this is featured on the main page. And I wonder if the hook could be spicier. How about:
ALT2: ... that one reviewer described Katy Perry's 2013 ballad "By the Grace of God" as having a "humming, dark tension in which Perry and melody float like red balloons"? Yoninah (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I actually like it! prism △ 21:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Unfortunately, DYK rules do not allow me to approve my own hook, so I'll leave it to another reviewer. In the meantime, please report back here on this page when you've fixed the formatting problem in Footnote 21. You may want to seek assistance at Wikipedia:Help desk. Best, Yoninah (talk) 22:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Problem resolved. prism △ 18:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Length, date, NPOV are good and the hook is cited. QPQ check shows no previous DYK noms. The article as a whole is also cited and the content is backed up by the sources. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 00:38, 8 December 2013 (UTC)