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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:13, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Busy Earnin'

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Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 16:10, 26 November 2015 (UTC).

  • This article used to be a redirect, so I think it counts as a new article even though the page was created about a year ago. Even if not, it's certainly been expanded by more than a factor of five in the past few days. However, it just barely meets the 1500 characters of prose requirement, at 1550. That's fine, I guess; it's very well-cited considering its length, at least in terms of the number of citations. No indications of plagiarism. Hook seems fine from a technical perspective (cited, etc.). Two issues: first, I'm not sure how interesting the hook is. Is there something remarkable about the song's premier? Could we think up something else, even like "... that Busy Earnin' details the circumstances of spending too much time making money?" Second, I'm not sure that it's in the DYK guidelines but I think the article should be added to some categories before being considered for Main Page exposure. @Launchballer: address these issues and I think we can move ahead. — AJDS talk 14:55, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
You've not done this before, I take it. Articles from redirects count as new articles, categories are required for a different reason - a lack of them is a reason to slap a notification templates (their exact name escapes me) on the articles, which DYK forbids. I was going for a hook along the lines of its appearances in other media but discovered I only had five minutes left on the computer I was using and couldn't be bothered to sign in again (plus the fact that I'd lifted those sentences from another Wikipedia article, and that usage in advertisements is notoriously difficult to course). For the time being your hook is fine, however I may attempt to source said statements.--Launchballer 16:56, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your reply. It's really not the subject of discussion here, but incidentally I've done this dozens of times. My reference to the redirect wasn't a criticism of your article, but a reassurance to other editors, since in your creation of the nomination template you selected the "new" rather than "redirect" option. Moving on: I'm not sure if I understood your reply about the category suggestion that I had. I already stated that I didn't think that categories were an integral part of a DYK nomination, but they are "a vital tool for navigating Wikipedia" (cf. WP:CDD), so I think the article should have them, all the more so if it's going to be on the Main Page. Do you not intend on adding any? Anyway, I guess that doesn't necessarily stand in the way of giving it a positive assessment for DYK (at least I can't find any mention of it in the guidelines), and I've done so in this reply. Finally, if you decide that you want to source some of those statements you referred to and make a new hook: obviously feel free. I've added my suggestion above. — AJDS talk 19:58, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Your lack of certainty led me to believe a lack of familiarity, I do apologise. Vital tool or not, I had intended by my last post that although categories aren't mentioned as DYK criteria, they are nonetheless required by virtue of the fact that a lack of them is cause for what I will call attention templates (the one that says "This article has not been added to any categories"); articles cannot progress to the main page if they have attention templates on them. Clearer?--Launchballer 20:18, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Crystal, thank you. So are you saying that I should not have approved this article then? Or will you be adding categories to the page imminently? — AJDS talk 21:47, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
I've added one, but the lack of the categories is not in itself a reason to delay a nomination.--Launchballer 23:23, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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