Template:Did you know nominations/Brigitte Kronauer
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
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Brigitte Kronauer
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Brigitte Kronauer in 2005
- ... that Brigitte Kronauer (pictured) was awarded literary prizes for her novels, including the Georg Büchner Prize, the Jean Paul Prize and the Thomas Mann Prize? Source: several
- Reviewed: John Shearer (photographer)
5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC).
- User:The Rambling Man is welcome to review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
- I think it could be more interesting, for example, mentioning some of the ways her work has been described, eg
ALT1 ... that writer Brigitte Kronauer (pictured), who won the Georg Büchner Prize, the Jean Paul Prize and the Thomas Mann Prize, was described as both “a master of spite” and having “great kindness”?
You have already included the kindness quote in the article, and the other could be added, if you and other editors like this suggestion. I find it very intriguing.
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*NB This is my first review, plus I have also suggested an alternative hook. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Some queries and comments:
- "Among others, she was awarded the Jean-Paul-Preis in 2011, and the Thomas Mann Prize in 2017." Does this mean other people received them too, or among other awards she received? If the latter, perhaps reword slightly? eg "Among other awards, she received the Jean-Paul-Preis in 2011, and the Thomas Mann Prize in 2017."
- Laudatio - I don't think this is a common word in English, and there is no Wikipedia article it could be linked to (unless perhaps encomium). Perhaps "laudatory speech" would be clearer? Also, I suggest "delivered the laudatory speech", rather than "held" - if it was Martin Mosebach who spoke the words of the laudatio.
- I assume that you have deliberately omitted mention of her domestic arrangements? That would definitely provide an intriguing hook, but perhaps not one you want to focus on. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. ALT1 is fine, but I was counseled so often to not say too much in one hook that I thought the allusion to great authors who shaped her writing was enough. You can pursue, add to the article, and then use the icon for a new reviewer. - I specified "among other awards" although it's a repetition of the word "award", - any idea to avoid that? - I used "laudatory speech", - is there really no simpler term for such a thing? - The answer to the third question is yes ;) - rather private, it seems. I imagine my mother had died, - would that be the thing I want to hook with? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, I would not understand that someone who received an award named after another writer had necessarily been influenced by that writer's style in their own writing. It's not the case with named Australian awards like the Miles Franklin Award, for example, or for the Dylan Thomas Prize. I read it as just meaning that she had won many literary awards, which does show her status, but to me, nothing specifically about her as a writer. I will think about adding the first comment into the article, then we will see what another reviewer thinks. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:17, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- You are welcome. She was most influenced by Jean Paul, but I'm afraid that he's not too well known, while I guess Thomas Mann is. The Georg Büchner Prize is regarded as the Nobel Prize of German literature, but again I'm afraid ... - I hope the image will be taken, and that will "sell" whatever we word ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Minor queries have been addressed, the quote and citation for the second possible hook have been included in the article. Could another reviewer please check that I have done everything necessary, as this is my first review? RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:28, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I looked at your review and can tell that you did well, just missung to say something about the image (licesed? showing well even in small size?) A different reviever is only needed to approve the hooks, especially ALT1 as donated by Rebecca. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Gerda Arendt! I used the review template because it was my first, but then I wanted to write extra, which I found difficult in that template. The image info is below the ALT1 hook, just above the QPQ tick - yes, licensed, yes, shows well in small size (it's a nice bright photo, I hope it's used). RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:03, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- I looked at your review and can tell that you did well, just missung to say something about the image (licesed? showing well even in small size?) A different reviever is only needed to approve the hooks, especially ALT1 as donated by Rebecca. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- You are welcome. She was most influenced by Jean Paul, but I'm afraid that he's not too well known, while I guess Thomas Mann is. The Georg Büchner Prize is regarded as the Nobel Prize of German literature, but again I'm afraid ... - I hope the image will be taken, and that will "sell" whatever we word ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, I would not understand that someone who received an award named after another writer had necessarily been influenced by that writer's style in their own writing. It's not the case with named Australian awards like the Miles Franklin Award, for example, or for the Dylan Thomas Prize. I read it as just meaning that she had won many literary awards, which does show her status, but to me, nothing specifically about her as a writer. I will think about adding the first comment into the article, then we will see what another reviewer thinks. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:17, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
