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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by David Eppstein (talk) 23:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Branko Kadia, Jordan Misja and Perlat Rexhepi

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Created/expanded by Zoupan (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

  • We're going to need English sources for the most unimportant fact of the article, which you for your own reasons considered the most important one since you used 4 Serbian (including some extremely POV ones like Burovic, a nationalist organization called nacional narevnia etc.) sources to make the claim. Regardless of the motives that caused you to write the article, you wrote an article about 3 Communists and instead of focusing on that aspect you labeled their whole identity in religious terms as Christian and Muslim and then added 4 unreliable sources for yet another label, a national one, which doesn't appear in English language sources and wouldn't matter to them most of all. I need to complete a review (new DYK nom coming up), so I'll review this nom. No WP:DEADLINE but find some English-language sources (instead of 4 Serbian ones from various organizations) as your claim is unsubstantiated and if you don't find any per BRD don't add it back.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
A few correctsions
  1. Jordan Misja was not shot, he threw himself in the house's well, because the house was burning after Kadia and Rexhepi had been killed. The fascists captured Misja there and hung him in the middle of Shkoder Kush ishin deshmoret qe u varen ne litar nga forcat pushtuese ne vitet 1939-1944 (online)
  2. Jordan Misja's grandson, who has the same name as his grandfather, insists that the family's last name is not Misimovic, but Misja, and that name has been around for centuries as "Misja". He clearly says that they are not Serbs, but Albanians copy pasted from Gazeta Shqiptare
  3. The article says that the fascists were "Albanian quislings". None of the sources says that. Who told the creator of this article that the milicia was "Albanian" and the Italians weren't there?
  4. I agree with ZjarriRrethues' well taken point that those guys' religion is completely irrelevant for the article in Wikipedia, and their heroical deed: they were first and foremost, members of the Albanian Communist Party: As communists they were first and foremost believed in Marxist and Leninist ideals, which are antireligious.
  5. The sources used should exclude an agent of UDB such as Kapllan Resuli "Burovic" [1] and [2]. Misovici (talk) 13:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Good find. I vaguely remembered that a relative of Misja had once given such an interview but I couldn't find it. Since there's such an issue should be removed and never added back again. It's not just a matter of unreliable sources etc. but also one of disrespect and semi-defamatory conduct.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 15:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I added what I could find. How could you claim that I label their "whole identity in religious terms" when it's their background (relevant, added in the second paragraph btw)? Kadia and Misja belonged to the Orthodox community of Shkoder, and it is known that there was a significant Serb/Montenegrin ("Yugoslav") community in Shkoder, but that doesn't make them less Albanian (or less Communist for that matter). I would appreciate if you could expand it with Albanian sources, of course, since I don't speak Albanian. Note: The article was moved to Branko Kadia, Jordan Misja and Perlat Rexhepi (Kadija->Kadia).--Zoupan 16:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I'll expand it in a couple of days and maybe use his grandson's interview too, but I'll remove the quote in the process and I suggest a new title like Three Heroes of Shkodër. Three names in a row as a title is a quite long title.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 17:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
  • With the most recent changes on September 4, the article does not qualify, being 1497 characters according to DYKcheck, under the minimum 1500. It isn't a matter of simply three additional characters, though; the article also reads like a stub. Improvements must be made for it to qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:54, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
  • "Clarification needed" template needs to be addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
  • It is still the case that no improvement has been made since September 4. I think it's time to close this. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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