Template:Did you know nominations/Boile Run
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 14:20, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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Boile Run
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Boile Run in its lower reaches
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that an erroneous version of Boile Run's (pictured) name was in local use for at least 95 years?
Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self-nominated at 15:12, 6 September 2015 (UTC).
I pulled this hook from prep 6 as the hook appears to be incorrect - it looks to me as if the source says the correct version of the name was in use for at least 95 years rather than the incorrect one. Gatoclass (talk) 09:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Gatoclass: Nice catch, I modified the article now. I think the opposite hook could fly just as well: ALT1: ... that Boile Run (pictured) was referred to as "Boyle Run" in a 1953 USGS map, even though the name "Boile Run" had been in local use for decades? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 14:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- I will need some time to think about that alt - at the very least, I think it could use a copyedit to avoid the repetition of "Boile Run". Gatoclass (talk) 14:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- I am not very keen on the proposed alt. How about this:
- ALT2: ... that the name of Boile Run was still in question 95 years after its first documented use? Gatoclass (talk) 12:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
- Something doesn't seem quite right about ALT2, I heavily lean towards ALT1. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 23:02, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- The problem with ALT1, Jakec, is that it just isn't interesting. Who cares that a name was misspelled on an official document one time? It's a yawn as a hook, made worse by the fact that it's a wordy yawn. Also, we have already featured at least one other hook using essentially the same fact. I think ALT2 is a lot more interesting and I see no problem with it; it's a fact that the USGS were recommending the adoption of the spelling "Boile Run" 95 years after its first documented use. Gatoclass (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- ALT2 is not entirely accurate; it makes it sound like the name was in question the whole time, which it wasn't. And we don't know that 1874 is the first documented use of Boile Run. It's just the first that can be found from publicly available online sources. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 11:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Jakec, it's not from "publicly available online sources", it's from a 1965 document, long before there was any such thing as "online". And that USGS document states that the name has been in use "approx. 95 years" and cites an 1874 map, so yes, the 1874 map must be the first documented use. I guess you have a point about the "still in question" phrase, however. Try this instead: *ALT3: ... that government officials recommended adopting the name "Boile Run" (pictured) for a tributary of the Susquehanna River 95 years after the name's first documented use? Gatoclass (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- ALT2 is not entirely accurate; it makes it sound like the name was in question the whole time, which it wasn't. And we don't know that 1874 is the first documented use of Boile Run. It's just the first that can be found from publicly available online sources. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 11:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- The problem with ALT1, Jakec, is that it just isn't interesting. Who cares that a name was misspelled on an official document one time? It's a yawn as a hook, made worse by the fact that it's a wordy yawn. Also, we have already featured at least one other hook using essentially the same fact. I think ALT2 is a lot more interesting and I see no problem with it; it's a fact that the USGS were recommending the adoption of the spelling "Boile Run" 95 years after its first documented use. Gatoclass (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Gatoclass: Nice catch, I modified the article now. I think the opposite hook could fly just as well: ALT1: ... that Boile Run (pictured) was referred to as "Boyle Run" in a 1953 USGS map, even though the name "Boile Run" had been in local use for decades? --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 14:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- For clarity's sake, the wording
ALT3: ... that government officials recommended adopting the name "Boile Run" (pictured) for a tributary of the Susquehanna River 95 years after the name's first documented use?
seems preferable. Gatoclass, if that minor tweak hasn't made me ineligible to review it, I find ALT3 short enough, interesting enough, neutral, and cited appropriately in the article. Provisional
. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 13:20, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- That's fine by me GrammarFascist. Since it's only a minor grammatical change, I am reiterating your approval icon for clarity. Gatoclass (talk) 13:30, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- The river's name is "Susquehanna River", not "Susquehanna". The prep builder should please keep this in mind when promoting. Thanks. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 13:35, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- I think it's clear from context that "the Susquehanna" refers to the Susquehanna River, Jakob... but I don't think it would be wrong to include the word "River" in the hook, either, and it certainly wouldn't make the hook too long. I have no strong opinion in favor of either wording. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 13:40, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. I made a couple of minor tweaks to both versions of ALT3 to reflect this; hope no one minds that. Also, there is a picture way up on this page, so I added "pictured" back in. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 13:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Good catch, Jakob; I had just (belatedly) noticed the lack of "(pictured)" in the hook myself, but you beat me to commenting on it. As reviewer I'm fine with the hooks as edited to read "Susquehanna River" and include "(pictured)", just to be clear. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 14:00, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. I made a couple of minor tweaks to both versions of ALT3 to reflect this; hope no one minds that. Also, there is a picture way up on this page, so I added "pictured" back in. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 13:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- I think it's clear from context that "the Susquehanna" refers to the Susquehanna River, Jakob... but I don't think it would be wrong to include the word "River" in the hook, either, and it certainly wouldn't make the hook too long. I have no strong opinion in favor of either wording. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 13:40, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- The river's name is "Susquehanna River", not "Susquehanna". The prep builder should please keep this in mind when promoting. Thanks. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 13:35, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
- For clarity's sake, the wording