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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 14:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Bob Hindmarch

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  • ... that Canadian professor Bob Hindmarch established exchanges between the University of British Columbia and Japan that advanced the philosophy of physical and psychological education in ice hockey? Oliver, Greg (2017). Father Bauer and the Great Experiment: The Genesis of Canadian Olympic Hockey. Toronto, Ontario: ECW Press. pp. 185–186. ISBN 978-1-77041-249-1. OCLC 954430059.

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 00:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: New article, no issues with prose size or copyvio detected. My only question about the article itself is whether it's standard to back-calculate the birth year without a specific source for the year? QPD done. I would support ALT1. Although after having another look at the article I think it would be more interesting put as:
ALT4: "that under coach Bob Hindmarch, the UBC Thunderbirds men's ice hockey team became one of the first Western sports teams to tour China?" Jr8825 • Talk 00:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

  • I feel that calculating the birth year based on age as of a date is fine, and I have seen it used many times in other articles. The review is unclear whether an opinion was offered on ALT0, ALT2 or ALT3. I prefer these hooks since they focus more on the person rather than the team. A second opinion from a new reviewer is needed for ALT4, and possibly the other hooks. Cheers. Flibirigit (talk) 00:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for being unclear with my original review @Flibirigit:, I should have said that my preference is for ALT1 (and by extension ALT4), but that I support the other variants as well. I understand your point about focusing on Bob specifically, and I think ALT0 and ALT2 are both very interesting. Jr8825 • Talk 01:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Flibirigit, please strike the hooks you don't want to use; then we can ask for a new reviewer. I was going to promote ALT1, but if you don't like it, please strike it. Jr8825, per Rule H2, you cannot approve your own hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Nowhere above did I state that I wanted to strike any hook. I stated my preference and ask for other opinions. Flibirigit (talk) 23:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm confused. But I'd like to ask evrik if he would mind doing a proper review of ALT0, ALT2, ALT3, and ALT4, and whether any of these are better in his opinion than ALT1. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Second opinions are needed on all hooks above. Cheers. Flibirigit (talk) 00:19, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Alt2 and some version of ALt0 are my favorites. --evrik (talk) 05:03, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

I am here to offer a second opinion on all hooks, as requested. As per habit, I have checked through the article to familiarise myself with it, and I confirm and agree with the above review of the article. Sources: ALT0 offline, taken AGF. ALT1 online, checks out except it says (or implies) sharing of skills, not teaching. ALT2 offline, taken AGF. ALT2 checks out online. ALT4 checks out online. Re hook interest: The editors above have between them shown preferences for all of the hooks, and I take it that they're here because they know something about ice hockey (my Canadian 3rd cousin was a goalie, and they could really whack that puck - and him the target - and they were big - so I can visualise that China visit from the Beijing perspective). So bearing in mind that I (and presumably all the other Rest-of-the-Worlds like me) don't know a lot about ice hockey, I'd go for ALT2 where Hindmarch feeds the starving. That one, for me, is unforgettable. But I leave it up to whoever promotes it to have the last word (unless any one of the above editors disagrees with that?). Note: If you want ALT1 to be one of the choices, you must change the wording to "sharing", not "teaching". Thank you for a great article, Flibirigit. Storye book (talk) 10:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

  • I have altered the wording of ALT1 and the correspdonding text in the article. If there are further questions it is not necessary to ping me nor use words in bold font. Flibirigit (talk) 17:27, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
  • in confirmation of ALTs 0. 1. 2. 3. 4. Storye book (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @ Flibirigit. My apologies for pinging you. Not everybody watches these templates regularly, and if you check through the old nominations, you'll see that quite a few nominators don't answer for a long time. Some of them are grateful for being pinged - it's difficult to second-guess editors' requirements. The bold is not about shouting. It's just to make my rather long paragraphs easier to skim through, especially when there are great walls of text on these templates. I shall try to remember to exclude you from this consideration. Storye book (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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