Template:Did you know nominations/Blue Pilgrims

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:47, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Article does not meet expansion requirements; no prejudice against renomination if it is expanded further or is promoted to GA status.

Blue Pilgrims

(

)

Blue Tiger tifo

... that at the final of the 2018 Intercontinental Cup, the Blue Pilgrims displayed a 30 ft (9 m)-tall 3D tifo of a Blue Tiger (pictured)?
- ALT1:... that the Blue Pilgrims have been called the 12th man of the Indian national football team?
- ALT2:... that Blue Pilgrims's most common chants are: "Oh India!", "In Unity we stand", "Oh India we stand for you!", "Vande Mataram" and their sports anthems are "Oh when the blues go marching in..." and "Hum honge kaamyab"?

Reviewed: WTJZ

Created by Dey subrata (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 18:25, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

Article nominated 8 days after creation, but I'll IAR that. The main problem with the article is it needs a copyedit. Little grammatical and spelling errors are sprinkled throughout. The lead needs some polish to be understandable.
There is close paraphrasing from one source:
Source: During the Intercontinental Cup match against North Korea in Ahmedabad on July 13, the Blue Pilgrims held massive banners saying 'Football Doesn't Matter, Money Does'. This was in protest against the AIFF's plan to give the ISL, a product promoted by the Football Sports Development Limited, a premier position ahead of the popular I-League, played by the 10 top regional clubs of India.
Article: During the Intercontinental Cup match against North Korea at the TransStadia Arena in Ahmedabad on 13 July 2019, the Blue Pilgrims held massive banners saying "Football Doesn't Matter, Money Does ?". This was in protest against the AIFF's plan to give the Indian Super League (played by newly formed clubs in India), a product promoted by the FSDL, a premier position ahead of the popular I-League which are played by all age old football clubs of India.

@Yoninah: Issues fixed. Dey subrata (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

The article also talks about the Blue Tigers but never identifies who they are (the India national football team).

I don't get this. The "Blue Tigers" in the first para is clearly linked (wiki link) to the India national football team article. Are you asking to add, the team is known as Blue tigers?? If then I am adding it, check if it looks ok.

All images freely licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 20:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

This one also I don't get.

@Dey subrata: Hi, thanks for responding. I actually thought that your nominator, Cwmhiraeth, would take care of the copyedit and other issues. I don't see how you've eliminated the close paraphrasing; your sentences are using the same words in the same order. You need to take a step back and rewrite or rework the whole section in your own words. In the lead, "Blue Tigers" needs to be both capitalized and identified in the text, not just in a link. Run-on sentences like these need to be shortened, punctuated properly, and copyedited for English grammar:

On 2 June 2018, then captain Sunil Chhetri posted a video on social media, urging the fan to come out at Mumbai to support the team after a poor crowd appearance of only 2569 at a match against Chinese Taipei in the 2018 Intercontinental Cup where India achieved a massive victory by 5−0, where Chhetri scored a hat-trick but very few people to celebrate with.
On 13 July 2019, during the Intercontinental Cup, in the match against North Korea at the TransStadia Arena in Ahmedabad the Blue Pilgrims held a banners inscribing "Football Doesn't Matter, Money Does ?"

Words like these need to be spelled correctly: displayling.
My last comment, about the images and QPQ, pertains to the DYK review. Your nominator has done the quid pro quo review to go with this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 00:19, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

I was aware that the article needed some attention but was surprised at the speed with which it was reviewed. I will do some copy editing shortly. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:01, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I wasn't aware that the nomination had been made only 2 hours earlier; I was trying to clear the backlog. Yoninah (talk) 12:01, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Thank you for the copyedit. Bdw can we add more hooks about T.Ao, and chants of Blue Pilgrims which actually people want to know.. Dey subrata (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: People will find out these things when they read the article. However, you can suggest your own hook, formatting it like the ALT1 hook above, but giving it a new number. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: OK, we've copyedited the article, now what about the hook? Do you want to go with ALT0 or ALT1 (ALT2 is too niche for a general readership, especially those who don't care about Indian football), or something else? Yoninah (talk) 17:59, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: its ok to not include the ALT2, I think ALT0 is ok, do you have any other suggestion? Dey subrata (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: no, I think ALT0 is good, especially with the image. I linked "Blue Tigers" in the hook. I was just looking at the India national football team article and noticed a lot of the same text as in this article. When was that added? Please see Rule A5 regarding copied text. Yoninah (talk) 21:01, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I added the section in the article this year only(may be in January), but did not had any intention of making a article on Blue Pilgrims, as not much sources were available, but when I got sufficient materials like those of the notable events, I then thought of creating the article. This can be called similarities rather copied, cause that section in India INT is not copied from Blue Pligrims article rather materials taken from that section used in Blue Pilgrims articles, secondly Blue Pilgrims have much more detailed information, more will be added in Blue Pilgrims as they are going to do something big on 15th October. Anyway, by rules A5, "...then the copied text must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article." I really don't get this point, what its trying to say. Please let me know. Dey subrata (talk) 22:03, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: So what you're saying is that this chunk of text was created months ago, and you broke it off into a new article. What Rule A5 says is that if text is copied from a previously existing article, then the character count of that text must be expanded fivefold in the new article for the new article to qualify for DYK. I did do a little copyediting of the text, but what's left that matches the India national football team article are 2,345 characters.

Here's my list of copied text

India football fans were mostly scattered, being widely based in West Bengal, North-East India, Goa, and Kerala. Other than matches at the Asian Games, Nehru Cup, or SAFF Championship, showed up in small numbers when the team played, and fans of different clubs used to support the team in their respective local venues. In 2017, the Blue Pilgrims were established as the first organised fan club for the national team. The Blue Pilgrims formed with a motive to support the national team and the U-17 team during the historic 2017 U17 World Cup, India's first-ever FIFA competition participation. with some 300 fans thousands, fans from different regions and with different allegiances coming together the Blue Tigers. They call themselves the devotees of the Blue Tigers, and their motto is to support India national football teams of all genders and ages, wherever they play.For dedication, they have been called the "12th man" of the team. The Blue Pilgrims's most common chants are: "Oh India!", "In Unity we stand", "Oh India we stand for you!", and "Vande Mataram". Their sports anthems are "Oh when the blues go marching in, I wanna be in that number!" and "Hum honge kaamyab" ("We Shall Overcome"). Since formation, the Blue Pilgrims celebrate after every match with the Viking clap together with national team members. Fans of the India national football team display the country's tricolour national flag and also wear blue jerseys in solidarity with the team. They used to display their banner Blue Pilgrims along with "Inquilab-e-Indian football" ("Revolution of Indian football") and often shouted their common slogan, "We love you, wherever you go, we follow!".

On 2 June 2018, then-team captain Sunil Chhetri posted a video on social media urging the fans to come out at Mumbai to support the team after a poor crowd appearance of only 2,569 at a match against Chinese Taipei in the 2018 Intercontinental Cup. India achieved a significant victory in that match, winning by 5−0 with Chhetri scoring a hat-trick, but few present to celebrate. Responding to the captain's call, the Blue Pilgrims and football supporters made sure that the stadiums were full during the next few matches. In the final of that tournament, the Blue Pilgrims displayed 30 ft (9.1 m) tall 3D tifo of a Blue Tiger, the first ever in the team's history.

This means that your DYK-nominated article must be 2,345 x 5 = 11,725 characters long to qualify. Currently the character count is 4,788 characters. You could either add another 6,937 characters, or bring it up to GA status and nominate it then.
BTW when you copy text within Wikipedia, you need to add Template:Copied to the talk pages of both articles. And it's not a good idea to have so much similar text in both the parent and spin-off article; the parent article (India national football team) should have one or two paragraphs at most summarizing the spin-off article.
As of now, this nomination is ineligible for DYK. Yoninah (talk) 23:14, 12 October 2019 (UTC)