Template:Did you know nominations/Bishop Monkton Ings
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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 05:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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Bishop Monkton Ings, Pedicularis palustris
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Marsh lousewort
- ... that Bishop Monkton Ings in North Yorkshire, England, is host to the semi-parasitic marsh lousewort (Pedicularis palustris) (pictured)? Source: Citation, Bishop Monkton Ings SSSI and Pedicularis palustris marsh lousewort
- Reviewed: Lady Victoria Campbell
- Comment: Moved to mainspace 14 January 2020. My QPQ Lady Victoria Campbell was compromised by an edit conflict, so I added a second QPQ Fort Tryon Park in case the first one is discounted.
Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC).
- Reviewing...new enough, long enough, QPQ provided. Very noble to provide 2 QPQ's, but its okay, so removed surplus one. The image is okay and free. I'll further check out interesting hook and article and message back. Give me some time. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
. No copyvio issues. I noted your note about the images not being at the site unless stated. The image of the semi-parasitic marsh lousewort was not from Bishop Monkton Ings, but as you say, you haven't claimed it to be. I think this is okay, but @Philafrenzy: who may clarify. It's a beutiful page, fully referenced and hook is in the article and followed by citation to a reference with the hook fact. I hope the image is used. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think it's fine that the picture wasn't taken there as long as we have a source confirming the plant grows there. My concern would be that it's not the best photo in the article. The plant doesn't stand out. What about Devil's bit scabious instead which has a good name too? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- The reason for using the marsh lousewort is that it's relatively rare in that part of the UK, growing in relatively rare and threatened habitat. Devil's bit scabious is far more common. However a hook is for hooking, so if you want to use the scabious for its odd name, I will go along with that. On the other hand, if you want a better picture of marsh lousewort, how about File:Pedicularis palustris bluete.jpeg which, although clear and accurate, is nice and scary-looking? I would be happy to add that to the article if required. Storye book (talk) 21:50, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's a good picture but not ideal for the article as it doesn't show the whole thing, and the image in the hook has to be in the article. Stick with the original if you prefer or do an Alt for the Devil's bit and let them choose. I note that the hook only says it grows there, not that it is rare. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- ALT1 that Bishop Monkton Ings in North Yorkshire, England, is a place where the devil's bit scabious (pictured) grows wild? Source: Citation, Bishop Monkton Ings SSSI and Pedicularis palustris marsh lousewort
- Image added (Note to admin: not sure if the width is correct). Storye book (talk) 11:01, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's a good picture but not ideal for the article as it doesn't show the whole thing, and the image in the hook has to be in the article. Stick with the original if you prefer or do an Alt for the Devil's bit and let them choose. I note that the hook only says it grows there, not that it is rare. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think it's fine that the picture wasn't taken there as long as we have a source confirming the plant grows there. My concern would be that it's not the best photo in the article. The plant doesn't stand out. What about Devil's bit scabious instead which has a good name too? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- ALT1a that among the wild plants at Bishop Monkton Ings in North Yorkshire, England, is the devil's bit scabious (pictured)? (Do we use botanical names anywhere in hooks or captions?) Philafrenzy (talk) 11:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- ...ALT 1 and ALT1a sound good and image appears okay. Whispyhistory (talk) 13:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- If you would like to pause this nomination, I will write an article on the marsh lousewort. (You will know its been written when this red link changes colour!) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Would you like me to add the article marsh lousewort that I created to this nomination, or shall I nominate it separately? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ooh, excellent, well done, and quick too! Yes please link it to the hook here, but not in bold - you deserve a separate DYK for that yourself, of course. Storye book (talk) 10:08, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, just realised - it would be awkward to have two hooks involving the same article, even if a different picture were used. Do you know whether it can be fixed that you get a DYK if it's linked in bold in the above hook? Cam admin advise? @BlueMoonset:? Storye book (talk) 10:14, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Would you like me to add the article marsh lousewort that I created to this nomination, or shall I nominate it separately? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- If you would like to pause this nomination, I will write an article on the marsh lousewort. (You will know its been written when this red link changes colour!) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- I have created the Marsh lousewort article, added it to this nomination and reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/A1206 road (Great Britain). I have amended some of the proposed hooks, giving ALT0a and ALT1b. Perhaps @Whispyhistory: would be so kind as to review them. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- ALT0a ... that Bishop Monkton Ings in North Yorkshire, England, provides habitat to the semi-parasitic marsh lousewort (pictured)?
- ALT1b ... that among the wild plants at Bishop Monkton Ings in North Yorkshire, England, is the marsh lousewort (pictured)?
- . Marsh lousewort is new enough, long enough, all above hooks are ok. Image is clear and I can't see any issues with it. Hook is in article and followed by inline citation to reference with hook fact. Note that Bishop Monkton Ings is not mentioned in marsh lousewort article. No copyvio issues, QPQ provided. You could have separate dyk's with the Pedicularis palustris being tall, erect and liking it wet. Otherwise I don't mind ALT1a or ALT0a or ALT1b. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:00, 2 February 2020 (UTC)