Template:Did you know nominations/Bio's Bahnhof

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 03:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Bio's Bahnhof

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Alfred Biolek

~~... that Bio's Bahnhof was a live television music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot, combining a wide variety of music genres and performers?~~ Source: [1]

Reviewed: Louise Heims Beck
Comment: Sammy Davis Jr. said it was the best show, which would also be good for a hook, but I feel we have to say a bit about what it was. Help?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC).

Article is new enough and long enough and adequately source. No close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ has been done. Assuming good faith for German sources. I'm not really sure if the "combining a wide variety of music genres and performers" fact is really necessary here, the really interesting fact here is that it was broadcast from a former tram depot (in addition, while the tram depot fact has a footnote, the genres part doesn't). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:24, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
The fact that made Sammy Davis call it "the best" wasn't only because of the location. I'd wish we had the room to name a few of the extremes nowhere else combined, such as contemporary classical music, American super stars (some discovered there for Europe), and amateur ensembles, all live. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

There should be lots of great little factoids here, and not all are in the article yet :) From the German Wikipedia: Did you know that Kate Bush made her first TV appearance in this show and not in England? (It checks out with what we say on Wuthering Heights (song)). —Kusma (talk) 21:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Go ahead, add that and much more, - it's just commented out. I opened the episodes, with plenty of names, and think mentioning Bush (or any other) would be unfair, - an unbelievable mix! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT0a: ~~... that Bio's Bahnhof was a live television music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot?~~ Grimes2 (talk) 09:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT1: ... ~~that Kate Bush made her first television appearance in the first issue of Bio's Bahnhof, a live television music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot?~~ Source: [2] Grimes2 (talk) 09:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT1a: ... ~~that Kate Bush made her first television appearance in the first issue of Bio's Bahnhof, a live music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot?~~ Grimes2 (talk) 10:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm often told not to rely on readers knowing names. Will they know Kate Bush? Do we collect links to her first of all, by her link being first? Just questions. Should we mention "German" somewhere then, because that seems most of the surprise? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Kate Bush: Page views in the past 30 days: 91,779. She seems to be well known. Grimes2 (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

ALT1b: ~~... that Kate Bush made her first television appearance in the first issue of Bio's Bahnhof, a German live music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot? Grimes2~~ (talk) 17:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT1c: ~~... that in the first issue of Bio's Bahnhof, a German live music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot, Kate Bush made her first television appearance?~~ Grimes2 (talk) 17:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Grimes, all of the variations of ALT1 are a bit too complicated (i.e. trying to combine several facts into one article). Perhaps it's better to propose two separate hooks, one about the tram depot fact and the other about the Kate Bush fact, and let a promoter decide which is better? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:30, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

ALT1d: ... that in the first issue of Bio's Bahnhof, a German live music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured), Kate Bush made her first television appearance? Grimes2 (talk) 05:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT0a or ALT1d. Grimes2 (talk) 05:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
A German reader would understand the train connection by the title, but in English, without a hint we loose too much which looks essential to me.

ALT1e: ~~... that in the first issue of Bio's Bahnhof, a German live music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot, Kate Bush made her first television appearance?~~

If that is regarded as too long, we could drop the "first issue" bit, but it says in just 2 words that this was a series, and it couldn't be said more elegantly. Thank you, Grimes2! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
ALT1f: ... that in Bio's Bahnhof, a German live music talk show presented by Alfred Biolek (pictured) in a former tram depot, Kate Bush made her first television appearance? Grimes2 (talk) 07:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Comment: ALT1c = ALT1e. Grimes2 (talk) 08:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Among the options proposed so far, I'm most partial to ALT0a and ALT1b. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I prefer ALT0a or ALT1f, because we don't want to collect links for Kate Bush, by linking her first. Grimes2 (talk) 10:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

After striking a few, we have d and f left, and I prefer f by far because it refers to the show's title without being longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Based on the discussion above, I think there's some agreement to go with ALT1f. It seems like a decent compromise: it mentions Bush, it mentions the tram depot fact, and it gives emphasis on the hook subject. I still feel it's a bit too complicated, but it shouldn't hurt and both article contributors are partial to it, so it seems like the best option at this time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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