Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Hooper (English footballer)

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The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Bill Hooper (English footballer)

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... that Bill Hooper scored Darlington's first Football League goal, which was "in all probability" the first goal scored in the Third Division North?

Reviewed: 1982 Virginia vs. Chaminade basketball game

Created by Struway2 (talk). Self nominated at 12:33, 27 December 2013 (UTC).

The following has been checked in this review by Matty.007

QPQ taken care of
Article created by Struway2 on 27 December 2013, and has 2721 characters of readable prose
Every paragraph is sourced; but all but one of the Northern Echo references is down, I get a message saying "Headline information for this article could not be found."
Earwig @ Toolserver found no copyvios
Hook is interesting, but due to issues with references, not sourced at present

Looks like Newsbank might no longer be carrying the Northern Echo features-type (as opposed to news) content; I do hope that isn't the case, and it's a temporary thing. I've managed to replace 2 of the 3 dead convenience links with archived versions, and both are also available at vlex.co.uk for those with subscriptions. Sod's law states that the one I can't yet find a free-online copy of is the one that verifies the hook fact... I've added an additional free-online source to the hook fact, for ease of verification, from a Northern Echo feature on 100 highlights of Darlington FC's history on the occasion of their 125th anniversary: the relevant bit is highlight no.22.

The hook fact always was sourced, of course, including author, title, date, and page number, to a reputable regional newspaper. Twas only the convenience links that died. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

To avoid my lack of imagination being ripped to shreds yet again, please consider any of these instead:

Alt1: ... that footballer Bill Hooper's sisters raised money for charity playing women's football matches in the 1920s and 1930s?
Alt2: ... that footballer Bill Hooper's sisters played in women's charity football matches in the 1920s and 1930s?
Alt3: ... that Bill Hooper, who scored Darlington F.C.'s first Football League goal, was interviewed for David Frost's television feature on the club some 50 years later?

Please feel free to improve the wording. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Reviewer needed to continue review. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:19, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. To be honest, my faveourite is the original, the sources about his sisters call him Mark I think, and the last hook isn't in the article. Thanks, Matty.007 20:36, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
  - Ah, now I understand about Mark. It seems he had three brothers, a fact I can't see in the article. Matty.007 20:38, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
    - Sorry, I'm not sure what you're not seeing. Re Alt1 and Alt2: in the Bill Hooper (English footballer)#Personal life section, I think you'll find the wording "His younger brother Mark played 500 matches in the Football League and won two First Division titles and one FA Cup with Sheffield Wednesday. Two other brothers, Carl and Danny, also played League football" adds up to Bill having three brothers. Ref #4 explicitly lists all seven siblings.
      Re Alt3, not sure if you ever approved the original hook or not, but his scoring Darlington's first Football League goal is in para 2 of the Football career. And, again in the Personal life section, the wording "In 1973, Hooper was interviewed by David Frost for an edition of The Frost Programme focussing on Darlington F.C." seems pretty clear on his being interviewed by Frost. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
      - Sorry, I missed Mark. Alts 1 and 2 are Ok, as is the original, but I think the actual hook must be in the article, which, as far as I can see, the 50 year gap isn't. However, this is a mobile edit, so getting policy up is tricky, I will check this tomorrow. Sorry for the mistake, Mat ty.007 21:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
        Original, alts 1 and 2 are OK, my preference being the original; the alts are more orientated on his sisters. Mat ty.007 16:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
        @Matty.007: Thank you for coming back to complete the review. You were absolutely correct that the article did not contain the date of Darlington's first league goal, so there was indeed nothing to verify the 50-years-later bit in Alt3 (it is in there now). I was too close to the article to see the omission until just now: my apologies. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
        (Pings don't work in template space) I think that the actual number, i.e. 50 years, would need to be in the article. Mat ty.007 17:36, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
        I'd have thought you wouldn't need to state a simple subtraction explicitly, but no matter. Thanks again, Struway2 (talk) 17:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
        I'm not 100% sure. I can look into it for usage if you want, or we can leave it unselectable. Thanks, Mat ty.007 18:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
        Please don't go to any more trouble. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)