Template:Did you know nominations/Bernie Wrightson

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 02:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Bernie Wrightson

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• ... that Bernie Wrightson spent seven years drawing an illustrated edition of Mary Shelley's 1818 novel Frankenstein? Source:
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Improved to Good Article status by FlairTale (talk). Self-nominated at 12:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bernie Wrightson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• The "Bibliography" section is entirely uncited. Unless I'm missing something, this would appear to disqualify it for both DYK and GA. Was this not something that came up in the GAR? Morgan695 (talk) 23:09, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

• Morgan695 They are all credited issues where Wrightson's name is listed as the artist. Wouldn't that make the issues themselves the source, similar to film credits for a filmography? I added a comics database to the external links, which also contains all the issue credits. FlairTale (talk) 08:48, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines rule D2 applies. Schwede66 16:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Thebiguglyalien: you passed this for GA. Could you comment here on how the Bibliography section passed WP:GACR as verifiable? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• RoySmith, to pass a GA review, inline citations are only necessary for "direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counterintuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons", which is slightly higher than the standards set by WP:V. DYK's requirements may be even higher, as it involves posting to the main page. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Thebiguglyalien: That feels like an incorrect reading of GAR policy to me. Criteria 2b requires that all inline citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counterintuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons (my emphasis added). It is highlighting that inline citations are especially important in the listed instances, not that they are only required in those instances. Besides, 2c requires no original research, which requires that all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Morgan695 (talk) 00:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• WP:V only requires inline citations in very specific circumstances, and WP:OR doesn't require them at all. Many users have a personal preference for inline citations in front of all claims, but this is not required by any Wikipedia policy, nor is it required by the Good Article criteria. If DYK has a higher standard, then that's the standard at play, but it has nothing to do with the GA process. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• Again, this feels like an incorrect reading of Wikipedia policy to me – I'm not convinced a comic author's bibliography, which can often be quite obscure when it comes to components like individual issues authored, qualifies as uncontestably true (and thus not requiring an inline citation) on the level of a statement like "the capital of France is Paris" – but that's a discussion for another day. In any case, per Schwede66, D2 does apply here, so the Bibliography does need to be supported by inline citation(s) before this can pass DYK. Morgan695 (talk) 02:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
• @FlairTale: See above. Morgan695 (talk) 02:05, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Morgan695: I added an inline citation for the bibliography. FlairTale (talk) 07:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• This is sourced to Grand Comics Database. I'm unsure if that is considered a WP:RS. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 137#Grand Comics Database appears not to have reached any consensus on that (not to mention having lots of socking). -- RoySmith (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

• Article was nominated within 7 days of passing GAR. Article is neutral, adequately cited, and clears copyvio, with Earwigs only pinging some properly attributed quotes. Nominator is QPQ exempt. Hook is interesting, cited, and short enough for DYK. Morgan695 (talk) 07:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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